mfbukowski Posted June 16, 2018 Posted June 16, 2018 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Rajah Manchou said: But as you can see, my model isn't exactly breaking down paradigms. Too physical for the critics and too symbolic for the believers. Either that or the converse That is our big problem as a church. Our own arguments do not communicate well with members who accept the anti-mormon assumptions of infallibility etc, nor do they understand symbolism or taking scripture figuratively Our own culture is our worst enemy. Protestant fundamentalism is what Joseph tried to overthrow but all his converts were culturally Protestant fundamentalists. And Joseph himself evolved over time. And we are still trying to work it though It's the Perry Scheme expressed in doctrinal history. But no one wants to admit it. Yet it is totally doctrinal with an open canon which is our greatest strength. "Yes Joseph's doctrine evolved and he was not infallible and everyone needs to develop their own testimonies principle by principle, and we are about orthopraxis not orthodoxy" We have to get over it and become what we are destined to become- the Stone cut without hands. We need to convert ourselves first. Edited June 16, 2018 by mfbukowski 3
mfbukowski Posted June 16, 2018 Posted June 16, 2018 (edited) 42 minutes ago, Calm said: There is a desire to make sacred spaces by linking the here and now with the ancient sacred. Sealings and temples and rituals and clothing...all bringing God down to earth so man can rise up to God. People visit Jerusalem so they can walk where Jesus walked. Mormons want to do the same thing in their own backyards. Which of course we can if we but see it that way. If I can talk to Him, he is not only in my back yard but right here in my heart. Why do I have to walk out there to find Him? Edited June 16, 2018 by mfbukowski 2
Calm Posted June 16, 2018 Posted June 16, 2018 1 hour ago, Rajah Manchou said: I also understand the importance of that, but there are billions in Asia and Africa who don't easily relate to the Book of Mormon because it is often associated with a limited geography that is half a world away. I'm looking for something in between symbolic geography and physical geography. There is a perfect fit between what Columbus knew as the "Indies" and the Island of the Blessed in Judeo-Christian traditions. They are the same place. But as you can see, my model isn't exactly breaking down paradigms. Too physical for the critics and too symbolic for the believers. But fun to see where you are taking it.
Calm Posted June 16, 2018 Posted June 16, 2018 43 minutes ago, mfbukowski said: Which of course we can if we but see it that way. If I can talk to Him, he is not only in my back yard but right here in my heart. Why do I have to walk out there to find Him? Backyard is a nicer place to sit and talk than my bedroom...no chair for one thing. 1
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