Tacenda Posted February 19, 2018 Posted February 19, 2018 On 1/1/2018 at 12:48 AM, mfbukowski said: I hate to generalize but in my experience this is commonplace. And we get a lot of experience hereabouts. But I have had two kids serve missions in the "Bible Belt" who had the same experience. My son was walking along a road between houses in Mississippi in his white shirt and black badge and someone aimed their truck straight at him and he jumped aside and got caught - but thank God only by the rear-view mirror- as the truck kept right on going. He had a bruised shoulder and kept the mirror as a souvenir but it could have been much worse obviously. I have sat down with a couple of famous Anti-Mormons and it was essentially the same thing. Mormon bashing is quite a sport- I am sorry it is so hard to deal with it, but I guess many of us here are so used to it that it barely raises an eyebrow And what the bashers do not realize is that because we hear it 24-7 even if we were prone to listen to them to "be saved" there is no way a reasonable person would respond positively considering the way they communicate their message. I know this was just one instance but I'll never forget how it made me think about some Catholic priests. My sister married a Catholic and they had to get permission for her fiance to get married to a Mormon or something. The difference between my sister's bishop and this priest was night and day. The priest put his feet up on his desk with a cigar in his mouth and was not happy that Steve, my brother in law, was marrying an LDS girl. And then there was my sister's bishop, mine too, who was the most humble man alive. But I hope to meet more priests, pastors etc. one day to wipe out that memory of the first priest I know of.
mfbukowski Posted February 19, 2018 Posted February 19, 2018 22 minutes ago, Tacenda said: I know this was just one instance but I'll never forget how it made me think about some Catholic priests. My sister married a Catholic and they had to get permission for her fiance to get married to a Mormon or something. The difference between my sister's bishop and this priest was night and day. The priest put his feet up on his desk with a cigar in his mouth and was not happy that Steve, my brother in law, was marrying an LDS girl. And then there was my sister's bishop, mine too, who was the most humble man alive. But I hope to meet more priests, pastors etc. one day to wipe out that memory of the first priest I know of. The last priest I spoke to was for arranging my Mother's funeral mass and not only did he allow me to offer a prayer at mass, he allowed me to give a short talk as a courtesy to a Mormon bishop to a congregation which was mostly Mormon and there because it was my mother's funeral. Of course I kept it extremely ecumenical about the goodness of God and how he cares for his children, about grief etc. It was a wonderful beautiful gesture I shall never forget though I think from his side he was breaking every rule in the book! Before all this he asked me a few questions privately and the main one was "You believe in Jesus Christ as savior, right?" my response was "Yes, absolutely!" He said "Oh well then it's all the same anyway" and winked and then gave me permission to do the prayer and talk. So keep looking- there are wonderful pastors and priests out there! 3
Raymond Ellis Posted March 22, 2018 Posted March 22, 2018 When Jesus says I and the Father and the Holy Ghost are one -- what does he mean? 'One' must mean of the same truth. That's what I believe. God is a ball of spirits and the outermost shell of the spirits is a super-intelligent holy spirit that shines inwardly and outwardly -- Daniel 12:3. Of course, the edge-shell spirit is able to manifest a body within the ball of spirits. When Jesus says we are one perhaps he is saying we are one spirit as well as one truth? John 4:24 says 'God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth'. Paul says 2Corinthians 12, that Jesus rose to the third heaven and whether he was in the body or not he does not know -- he meant Jesus could have ascended to heaven as a ball of spirits, his true self. Jesus appeared to the disciples in a room of closed doors in John's gospel -- his ball of spirits easily passed through the solid walls, and then manifested the solid-body to the disciples in the room.
mfbukowski Posted March 22, 2018 Posted March 22, 2018 1 hour ago, Raymond Ellis said: When Jesus says I and the Father and the Holy Ghost are one -- what does he mean? 'One' must mean of the same truth. That's what I believe. God is a ball of spirits and the outermost shell of the spirits is a super-intelligent holy spirit that shines inwardly and outwardly -- Daniel 12:3. Of course, the edge-shell spirit is able to manifest a body within the ball of spirits. When Jesus says we are one perhaps he is saying we are one spirit as well as one truth? John 4:24 says 'God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth'. Paul says 2Corinthians 12, that Jesus rose to the third heaven and whether he was in the body or not he does not know -- he meant Jesus could have ascended to heaven as a ball of spirits, his true self. Jesus appeared to the disciples in a room of closed doors in John's gospel -- his ball of spirits easily passed through the solid walls, and then manifested the solid-body to the disciples in the room. I am one with my wife and family, and we are hardly a ball of spirits.
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