Bobbieaware Posted September 2, 2015 Posted September 2, 2015 A few references would be a nice addition here. I'm aware of those that point out that none are saved except through Jesus Christ, and that the name of Jesus Christ is the only name by which anyone can be saved, but since the name of Christ is a reference to his authority and who he is I don't think it necessarily necessary that someone must "call upon the name of Jesus Christ" to be saved. Unless maybe you meant that someone just needs to call out (necessarily vocally???) for someone/anyone who can save them. Which would be Jesus Christ either personally or anyone else who acts in his name, with his authority. I sometimes wonder myself just how much of the gospel needs to be preached for someone to catch on to the basic idea behind it all, too. Just the most basic ideas, maybe? Are the words "faith" or "repentance" or "baptism" really absolutely necessary, and in English? What if someone just thinks something about how it sure would be nice if someone could help them to become better off than they are, just feeling very frustrated with themselves and how they think of how bad something is.I bet it wouldn't take much for our Father to come to their rescue regardless of what they heard or hadn't heard in their lives. I don't think anyone has to use the words "gospel" or "faith" or "repentance" or even "Jesus Christ" in English or Greek or in any other "language" except by pouring their heart and soul out to some unknown being who we just happen to know by his name.My reference is D&C 138. If you will slowly and deliberately read it from beginning to end, with an open mind, there will be no doubt in left in your mind that every human being will eventually hear the Gospel and come unto Christ for a remission of sins and a salvation in one of the Father's many mansions of glory. Paul and the Book of Mormon writers were correct when they said Christ's is the only name under heaven whereby men must be saved.
Ahab Posted September 2, 2015 Posted September 2, 2015 My reference is D&C 138. If you will slowly and deliberately read it from beginning to end, with an open mind, there will be no doubt in left in your mind that every human being will eventually hear the Gospel and come unto Christ for a remission of sins and a salvation in one of the Father's many mansions of glory. Paul and the Book of Mormon writers were correct when they said Christ's is the only name under heaven whereby men must be saved.Yeah I know all of that. My point was mainly that semantics and precise word choices aren't necessarily necessary. Like how I can think of what the gospel is without using the word gospel, and who our Savior is without using the words "Jesus Christ". And without using the word "savior/Savior" too. Can't you?
savedbygrace Posted September 3, 2015 Author Posted September 3, 2015 Saved by Grace you use "He," "Him" for GOD of which LDS have no problem with however in non LDS christian theology GOD has no gender [Genderless just ask our LDS critic danielwood ! who is posting on our board]. Thank you . In His Eternal Debt/Grace Anakin7In non LDS theology? I am non LDS and have never come across such a thing. God is clearly, throughout scripture referred to in the masculine form. He is our Father, Christ referred to Him as such many times. Non LDS theology, I do not thinks so. What is He? A God called it? Is this nonsense just PC? I am also a bit mystified as to why you felt you had to point this out to me, as I obviously do not espouse this position
Anakin7 Posted September 3, 2015 Posted September 3, 2015 Saved by Grace I am LDS and "Have come across such a thing" from non LDS evangelicals past present. Case in point in the thread -"The Nature and Relationship of God and Creation" post # 525 by Evangelical danielwoods he states that God has no gender. He only is called Father so as we can relate to the pronoun "He" "Him". I did not say that you espouse such a position only many of your evangelical brothers/sisters do and in the theology textbooks and writtings. According to them you only seem to see Jesus in male form after this life he is the 2nd person of the western trinity residing within the nature of GOD who is genderless. May True Grace be with you. In His Eternal Debt/Grace Anakin7
savedbygrace Posted September 3, 2015 Author Posted September 3, 2015 Saved by Grace I am LDS and "Have come across such a thing" from non LDS evangelicals past present. Case in point in the thread -"The Nature and Relationship of God and Creation" post # 525 by Evangelical danielwoods he states that God has no gender. He only is called Father so as we can relate to the pronoun "He" "Him". I did not say that you espouse such a position only many of your evangelical brothers/sisters do and in the theology textbooks and writtings. According to them you only seem to see Jesus in male form after this life he is the 2nd person of the western trinity residing within the nature of GOD who is genderless. May True Grace be with you. In His Eternal Debt/Grace Anakin7Thank you for that, however, "non LDS Christian theology" seemed a bit all-encompassing, and I still don't understand why you felt prompted to inform me about it as it doesn't really seem to have anything to do with the on going discussion.
Anakin7 Posted September 3, 2015 Posted September 3, 2015 savedbygrace thank you for your reply. Yes non LDS Christian theology is a bit all encompasing, The Title of thee Thread is - "The Love Of God" started by you. It does have to do with the discussion at hand with God's nature and our Love for "Him" [not a genderless GOD entity as held in non LDS Theology and minds of many christians who only portrays himself/itself as male]. May True Grace Be with you and those you Love. In His Eternal Debt/grace Anakin7
Calm Posted September 3, 2015 Posted September 3, 2015 Perhaps Anakin was pointing it out just to inform the conversation with the context that generally occurs here up front so there would be less misunderstandings about possible nuances.
Ahab Posted September 3, 2015 Posted September 3, 2015 Yes when we think of the love of God it does help to think of whose love we are talking about. When we say God we are usually talking about our Father, although as his children and the same kind of being he is we could also be talking about ourselves, generally, or to any other specific person who is the same kind of being as our Father, God. Like how we also refer to Jesus as God, who is another person other than his and our Father. And since Jesus is now as perfect as our Father, his love for us is now equal with the love our Father has for us. It may seem a little strange to think that Jesus as our brother has the same love for us as does our Father, but he really does, even though our relationship to him is a little different. The love of God comes from somebody, and even more than one somebody, and that love can be felt by everybody even though sometimes some of us somebodies don't feel it.
savedbygrace Posted September 4, 2015 Author Posted September 4, 2015 Boy oh boy did you misunderstand me. I don't know if you're a Latter-day Saint, but we believe God is so loving and merciful that he makes sure the Gospel is even preached to the dead who didn't repent while in the flesh. He does this so that in the end there will be very few souls, relatively speaking, who will be cast out of his presence forever. So it is a foundational belief of mine that God indeed DOES DO MUCH BETTER than many believe he does. The point I was trying to make (apparently very poorly) is that many religious people claim that God is very merciful and loving, but then, according to their belief, he seems to act against that mercy and love when he casts untold millions into an endless hell of unimaginable horror without giving them ample opportunity to accept the Gospel and repent. One of the many reasons why I am a Latter-day Saint is because I believe the LDS faith presents a God who really proves he is loving and merciful by not giving up on the souls om men until they totally give up on him. And those who give up on the Lord are those who few who utterly refuse to repent, no matter how hard the he tries to persuade them to receive loving mercy at his hand.Apologies for any misunderstanding
VideoGameJunkie Posted September 4, 2015 Posted September 4, 2015 Watch the talk "His Grace is Sufficient" by Brad Wilcox on youtube. It's a great speech.
willy1 Posted October 24, 2015 Posted October 24, 2015 The Love of God that I have seen comes from him allowing us to be forgiven of the mistakes that we make. It make seem surprising, but we will not be a perfect people and will need the grace of God to save us at the last day after all you do ourselves. I thought worth sharing in attending the temple and how it can help to strengthen our love of God and see areas of improvement that we need in our life. The scripture in Isaiah sums up my thought very well to a way that we can feel the love of God through changing ourslves first through seeing much how our wills align with the Lord's through temple worship. "they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more." (Isaiah 2:2-4)
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