pogi Posted January 4, 2015 Posted January 4, 2015 (edited) so... no one knows the answer to these questions i'm trying to ask you, but you have lots of ideas about how to defame my character? way to represent, boys. thanks. what's this intelligence Jesus talking about here in the stones? new? eternal? like us? different? how?would sons of Abraham risen up from stones ~30AD have Adam's sin? How could stones in 30AD be the seed of Abraham when Abraham has long passed and no longer produces seed?Abraham's seed from who's ovum...the rock's?I could ask the same question about Adam's sin to you. We can play this game too. You are asking us to explain a miracle, a mystery, that you cannot even explain with your interpretation, get a clue dude! Edited January 4, 2015 by pogi 1
Robert F. Smith Posted January 4, 2015 Posted January 4, 2015 .......................................................................He seems to believe that the scripture about raising the stones means that God could make bodies and spirits, ie 'souls' from the stones only. We, on the other hand, fully accept that God could make the physical bodies from the stones , ................................................................................I don't think so.As enunciated by Brother Brigham, all humans are created reproductively in the same way. Always. God never molds physical bodies from clay or dust, or from a rib. That is merely figurative language.
Robert F. Smith Posted January 4, 2015 Posted January 4, 2015 Exactly- take the materials there and make an earth- and bodies. I haven't a clue what this is supposed to show.Maybe he imagines that Merlin the Wizard will magically turn stones into people, something like a scene from the story of Jason and the Argonauts in search of the Golden Fleece. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pF_Fi7x93PY .
strappinglad Posted January 4, 2015 Posted January 4, 2015 I don't think so. As enunciated by Brother Brigham, all humans are created reproductively in the same way. Always. God never molds physical bodies from clay or dust, or from a rib. That is merely figurative language.So where did the materials come from that make up our bodies? God had no part in creating/placing/organizing those materials so that they might be used to provide bodies?
Robert F. Smith Posted January 4, 2015 Posted January 4, 2015 So where did the materials come from that make up our bodies? God had no part in creating/placing/organizing those materials so that they might be used to provide bodies?We could go back to a discussion of the birds and the bees and the flowers (now I realize what the teachers were trying to get through to me back then with bees, pollen, stamens, etc., but I thought it far too esoteric to bother with, so just didn't get it). It has to do with ova, spermatozoa, the development of the zygote, embryo, and fetus, and the nutrients delivered by the mother via the umbilical cord. Of course materials are involved, but they are passed on and developed according to the specific blueprints contained in our DNA, and that included Adam & Eve -- born the same way you and I are, according to Brigham Young. Nothing is created from scratch. 1
canard78 Posted January 4, 2015 Posted January 4, 2015 Hyperbole. Nothing wrong with a prophet using a bit of hyperbole occasionally.
Flyonthewall Posted January 4, 2015 Posted January 4, 2015 (edited) i understand that the major premise of His discussion here was not teaching about making children of Abraham from stones. and implied is that human, physical genealogy is not the descendancy that the inheritance of the promise is in regard too (have read Romans). the prophets also wrote of Him being found by people that did not seek Him, and the Gentiles becoming heirs through adoption. but He literally said that God is able to raise children of Abraham from stones. the fact that He uses this as an illustration does not diminish the truth and power of what He said. did He lie? so i am asking, how does the (i will take it as) fact that sons and daughters of Abraham could now be raised up from rocks, apart from normal human reproduction, square with pre-mortal existence? is God 'god' enough to create from dust and gravel a new creation and breathe life into it, or is He limited by some number and characteristics of souls that pre-exist Him? is God, "God" ? are souls and sentient life also His creation? or beyond His power to create? if He made a son of Abraham from a pebble, did He make the soul too? or was the soul pre-existing? in the rock? in the loins of some human ancestor? in some heavenly realm? on some far-away planet? Have you heard of the term "Hyperbole"? I see Canard78 beat me to it. hyperbole [hahy-pur-buh-lee] Spell Syllables noun, Rhetoric 1. obvious and intentional exaggeration. 2. an extravagant statement or figure of speech not intended to be taken literally, as “to wait an eternity.”. Edited January 4, 2015 by Flyonthewall
Hestia Posted January 4, 2015 Posted January 4, 2015 This thread is treading water and Intra's comments are inappropriate.
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