Tacenda Posted June 11, 2014 Posted June 11, 2014 (edited) Since it was already stated that there is no written documentation on this issue, just "word of mouth", I was trying to make it simple and practical.OK, you win ==>> Give us a link or quote from formal church documentation (CHI, etc) to fulfill the CFR, please. I think you are full of baloney on this new and secret protocol, known only to a chosen few, but let's see what you got.Uh oh....do you know who you're talking to? Anyway, do you not understand that the church changes on occasion? I'm not saying it's a bad thing. Maybe that's why Jesus said there's no marriage in heaven, atleast not what we think it is. Edited June 11, 2014 by Tacenda
Calm Posted June 11, 2014 Posted June 11, 2014 (edited) Since it was already stated that there is no written documentation on this issue, just "word of mouth", I was trying to make it simple and practical.that was a CFR? You basically wrote up what would satisfy you as a CFR...correct? You were not repeating a conversation you had yourself which is what it appeared to be?OK, you win ==>> Give us a link or quote from formal church documentation (CHI, etc) to fulfill the CFR, please. I think you are full of baloney on this new and secret protocol, known only to a chosen few, but let's see what you got.I win what? I feel like there is a third party to the conversation or something where I am not hearing a substantial portion of the responses....that you are filling in my responses for yourself and then responding to them as if I had really written them.Since we have already stated it is not in the current handbook, that it is not in "formal church documentation" we cannot fulfill the CFR by the very nature of the events.As to new and secret...not sure it is new, every now and then someone pops up with my grandmother was able to be sealed to both her husbands after one died in WWI or something. Maybe it has been going on all along for those who really push....don't have a clue on the accuracy of these claims not being able to talk to the directly involved so it could be a misunderstanding in those cases. It hardly is secret in that they weren't instructed to not share the info...protocol, it appears to be the exception to the protocol. They weren't "chosen", they asked for it themselves.The bishop I know who related his own letter writing requesting the exception to a cancelation for a first sealing to the First Presidency is an intelligent and credible witness. I find it much more probable you are an antimormon in disguise than I do he is lying about his experience....and it would have to be those options as someone being confused on what was being asked and granted permission by accident...not possible given the circumstances.Juliann and I have independently verified in one case with this bishop. She has encountered two more exceptions being given. Neither of us, I suspect, are willing to share personal info that might create an undesirable situation for those involved. And I am not going to pressure the one I know to turn what was their sacred and wonderfully hopeful day into pickings for total strangers. If you believe we are not fulfilling a CFR properly, feel free to bring it up with the mod (depending which one answers he may know the bishop as well). Edited June 11, 2014 by calmoriah 1
cdowis Posted June 11, 2014 Posted June 11, 2014 (edited) Best wishes to you. We have no common ground to continue a discussion. Edited June 11, 2014 by cdowis
juliann Posted June 11, 2014 Posted June 11, 2014 You don't have to discuss. But you were asked to provide the CHI quote you claim exists saying a woman must choose. A temple counselor isn't equivalent to a CHI quote. And I do have to say....the typical reaction of a person who gave one hoot about women who have been put in an unimaginable situation would react with something a little closer to "that is wonderful that women are no longer expected to walk away from the people they love and have had children with." Since no one really has any idea how it will be for anybody up there, it seems a small sacrifice to stop favoring men over women in sealings. 2
Fatboys Posted June 11, 2014 Posted June 11, 2014 Since we are to overcome our weaknesses so we can become perfected and more like Christ, don't you think that we will look at relationships with other differently? If we can not overcome jealousy or pity grievances will we be together anyway?
Calm Posted June 11, 2014 Posted June 11, 2014 If we can not overcome jealousy or pity grievances will we be together anyway? If one just attempts to remove all the selfish motivations we get in relationships, the me first, me only, etc. plus add in the unity with God as one, I don't see it as possible to even imagine the ability to love and relate and what that might imply for the marriage relationship.
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