David T Posted April 24, 2014 Posted April 24, 2014 (edited) It's now prominently highlighted on scriptures.lds.org, in a link that takes you here - available to watch. There's no way whoever was doing the design wasn't influenced by the Heartland model. It's not generic or vague, it's right out of some Mound Builder concept art. From the film: From Hopewell Moundbuilder artwork and illustrations: Whether the GAs involved knew that's what was going on, those in charge of production design certainly did. I certainly understand why the Heartlanders finally felt vindicated. As wonderful as the Bible Videos are and have been (and they are wonderful!), so many things about this production are, well, highly unfortunate. The 3 Nephi Jesus appearance is ... unpleasantly goofy. In so many ways. Edited April 24, 2014 by David T
David T Posted April 25, 2014 Posted April 25, 2014 Bumping, because I knew there were people who were wanting to see the video, and since it's been online a couple days, and I didn't see the promised notice by Larry Richman that Scott Lloyd mentioned, I thought others would want to see it.
livy111us Posted April 25, 2014 Posted April 25, 2014 It's now prominently highlighted on scriptures.lds.org, in a link that takes you here - available to watch. There's no way whoever was doing the design wasn't influenced by the Heartland model. It's not generic or vague, it's right out of some Mound Builder concept art. From the film: From Hopewell Moundbuilder artwork and illustrations: Whether the GAs involved knew that's what was going on, those in charge of production design certainly did. I certainly understand why the Heartlanders finally felt vindicated. As wonderful as the Bible Videos are and have been (and they are wonderful!), so many things about this production are, well, highly unfortunate. The 3 Nephi Jesus appearance is ... unpleasantly goofy. In so many ways. David,These are not depictions of Hopewell cities (if they are then they are highly inaccurate) but of later cultures that lived MUCH later than BOM peoples, that is what I find so amusing. Heartlanders are claiming vindication with this video yet they don't understand that what is depicted doesn't even fall into the realm of the Hopewell. It is like saying modern Mexico City supports a Mesoamerican setting for The Book of Mormon. 2
David T Posted April 25, 2014 Posted April 25, 2014 (edited) Ha! Some bizarre site called Nephite Explorer, which says, "For those who’ve been following the Nephite Explorer project, you’ll reconize this setting was based on artists depictions of the Mound Builders or Hopewell and Adena and Mississippian civilizations of North America" includes one of the above paintings saying that it comes from depictions from the Cahokia museum. From Wikipedia, "Cahokia Mounds State Historic Site /kəˈhoʊkiə/ (11 MS 2)[2] is located on the site of an ancient Native American city (c. 600–1400 CE)", I see the entry notes that they didn't reach their peak until the 1200s. There is so much fail going on. Edited April 25, 2014 by David T 1
livy111us Posted April 25, 2014 Posted April 25, 2014 It's almost comical to see how much they have to twist and distort to make their theory fit a BOM model. But the sad part is that people are actually buying into it! Can't say I blame them because they are not researching what is presented by heartlanders to ensure it is accurate and they don't expect a fellow member to feed them full of garbage. It is telling when he is making outrageous claims of evidence that have somehow been missed by real LDS scholars who have dedicated their lives looking for such evidence, and not only are scholars not jumping on board claiming that this is the best evidence found since the beginning of the Church, but they are distancing themselves from Meldrum and have wrote many articles showing how absolutely ridiculous his claims are. If his stuff was true, it would be every apologist and LDS scholar's dream. But since they actually use facts to form theories there is no way they can accept any of his theory.
Calm Posted April 25, 2014 Posted April 25, 2014 (edited) C'mon Livy, you know that would mean the loss of all those thousands of dollars those LDS scholars are getting from the Mesoamerican market! They are in it for the money, who cares about truth! Edited April 25, 2014 by calmoriah
livy111us Posted April 25, 2014 Posted April 25, 2014 Touche', Cal. I did forget about that small piece of information. I don't know about you, but every person I get to believe in a Mesoamerican setting for The Book of Mormon I get a stack of cash. And if that person get's 3 people to believe a Mesoamerican setting and each one of them get 3 people to believe, then I will be making 7 billion dollars a year! It's foolproof! 1
Calm Posted April 25, 2014 Posted April 25, 2014 Some bizarre site called Nephite Explorer, http://www.ksl.com/?sid=24872969
David T Posted April 26, 2014 Posted April 26, 2014 http://www.ksl.com/?sid=24872969 Just saw his comments on his blog: "Yes, that is sad. While no one should base their faith in physical archeology, it still happens. And likewise people loose their fledgling faith when they are confronted by “proof” the Book of Mormon is a fraud. People see the meso Amercian lack of evidence and don’t even give the Book of Mormon a chance. They don’t try to gain that spiritual evidence in their own lives because the so called physical evidence isn’t there. My hope is to show prospective Book of Mormon readers that there is this physical evidence in hopes that people will give it a chance and read the book to obtain that spiritual witness, and to support those that have the spiritual witness and show, “Hey, we’re not so crazy after all” ha ha." Oy.
Scott Lloyd Posted April 27, 2014 Posted April 27, 2014 Bumping, because I knew there were people who were wanting to see the video, and since it's been online a couple days, and I didn't see the promised notice by Larry Richman that Scott Lloyd mentioned, I thought others would want to see it.I guess Larry was out of the loop on this. 1
David T Posted April 28, 2014 Posted April 28, 2014 (edited) Wow. They're really running with this. http://www.heraldextra.com/news/local/central/orem/book-of-mormon-conference-shares-new-geographic-evidence/article_4eb75d32-11a3-52bb-a648-f6f07747658d.html Revealed scriptures testify of the geographical location of the Book of Mormon," Meldrum said. "This is the history of America." The two-day conference provides several presentations and artifacts testifying to the existence of Lehi's people in Ohio, Missouri and throughout the heartland of America. While the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints does not endorse or sponsor the conference, evidence that leaders of the church personally acknowledge this land as the promised land was presented during a number of presentations. A new LDS Video Scriptures Legacy indicates visually and in narration that potential while not coming out with any official statements as to scope of geography. Edited April 28, 2014 by David T
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