Mocking The Poor

[Mola Ram Suda Ram]

It is interesting to see organizations posturing under the moniker of "truth" who deceptively conflate "subsidies" with "tax breaks."

 

But, it evidently works. Good people are taking the bait in droves these days.

 

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

Drives me nuts that some equate a tax break with a subsidies.

[Mola Ram Suda Ram]

How in the heck is this thread still open??

Why don't you start posting I am sure it will stay open longer if you do.

[wenglund]

You mean she didn't starve to death because some evil republican hated poor sinlge women so much that he refused to vote for welfare that would have helped this poor helpless, victim, of a woman?

 

More despicably, from what I am learning from our progressive friends, even though there was welfare available to my grandmother, she and others didn't avail themselves, and so supposedly the economy failed to grow and jobs weren't created. Everyone would have been better off if she and others would have just stayed home and collected welfare checks.

 

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

[The Nehor]

If not welfare, where should a 28 year old single mother of 3 go for support? What about a 32 year old male suffering from a mental illness? I see a lot of abuse of the system, and it frustrates me that many people on welfare seem to have nicer things than I do, but nobody seems to be providing an alternative. 

 

Walmart gets a lot of blame for perpetuating poverty, but Walmart is a symptom and not the disease. The disease is poor education, or the wrong education. I know many a person in a dead end job earning very little income who earned a bachelors degree in English lit or history. There are a lot of working poor, but the answer is to stop it before it begins. Better funding for preschools and elementary schools, more support workers for under privileged youth. $10,000,000/year in support will save $10,000,000,000 in crime. The rich people of the world are not CEO's, they are doctors, lawyers, chemists, electricians and botanists. The reason they earn a high income is because there are not enough of them. 

 

We need more training for single mothers and support for their children. The unemployable require psychiatric care. I meet many people who are either too mentally ill or too lazy to keep down a job. There is no follow up because the government employment agency lack the staff to follow up. The ironic thing is, if another million were pumped into support workers, income tax revenue would go up by fifty million.

I disagree that this is the answer. An increase in education will not get rid of the need for what many would consider menial labor.

[The Nehor]

More despicably, from what I am learning from our progressive friends, even though there was welfare available to my grandmother, she and others didn't avail themselves, and so supposedly the economy failed to grow and jobs weren't created. Everyone would have been better off if she and others would have just stayed home and collected welfare checks.

 

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

Saying that welfare dollars are more economically efficient then other government methods of assisting the poor does not mean that it is also better then employment.

Remember when I was ridiculing you for thinking only in absolutes? This is what I was talking about.

[wenglund]

You cannot compare the culture and financial demands of another generation to today's world. Today, if a mother goes to work, social services will show up and take her children away unless they are properly cared for. The fact is, we cannot blame a dead president, we need to deal with the current situation. Yes, your grandmother was a marvelous lady, but many thousands of others in her day who did not have this support died of starvation.

 

Your right. It is a mistake to compare and learn from the good and bad of the past. The prospects of massive social experiments are so much better when conducted blind. Who can doubt that people in more contemporary times, like Dr. Benjamin Carson, would have fared so much better were his single mother to have stayed home and collected welfare rather than working several jobs to support her family. How she was able to keep her kids under such neglect, is a mystery for the ages.

 

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

Edited January 20, 2014 by wenglund

[Freedom]

Your right. It is a mistake to compare and learn from the good and bad of the past. The prospects of massive social experiments are so much better when conducted blind. Who can doubt that people in more contemporary times, like Dr. Benjamin Carson would have fared so much better were his single mother to have stayed home and collected welfare rather than working several jobs to support her family. How she was able to keep her kids under such neglect, is a mystery for the ages.

 

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

Your sarcasm is revealing your ignorance. 

[The Nehor]

Your right. It is a mistake to compare and learn from the good and bad of the past. The prospects of massive social experiments are so much better when conducted blind. Who can doubt that people in more contemporary times, like Dr. Benjamin Carson would have fared so much better were his single mother to have stayed home and collected welfare rather than working several jobs to support her family. How she was able to keep her kids under such neglect, is a mystery for the ages.-

And there is that absolutism again!!!!!!!!!!

[wenglund]

Saying that welfare dollars are more economically efficient then other government methods of assisting the poor does not mean that it is also better then employment.

Remember when I was ridiculing you for thinking only in absolutes? This is what I was talking about.

 

Please recall that you aren't the only person involved in the discussion (which may be difficult for someone with your prodigious ego and self-centric world view), and that my generic comments pertain to the general context of the discussion, and not necessarily specifically to you or a specific point you may have muddily and impertinently made. Doing so may help prevent your ridicules from being mis-directed and backfiring, as in this instance.

 

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

Edited January 20, 2014 by wenglund

[wenglund]

Your sarcasm is revealing your ignorance. 

 

It certainly reveals, and was intended to reveal, someone's ignorance. I am fine with letting the reader decide whose.

 

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

Edited January 20, 2014 by wenglund

[wenglund]

And there is that absolutism again!!!!!!!!!!

 

Evidently, the word "absolutism" has taken on a new meaning from what I have understood. Clearly, it must now refer to general rules, since that is what I was speaking to. I guess this old fogy will have to get a newer dictionary so as to communicate better with kids these days.

 

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

[The Nehor]

Please recall that you aren't the only person involved in the discussion (which may be difficult for someone with your prodigious ego and self-centric world view), and that my generic comments pertain to the general context of the discussion, and not necessarily specifically to you or a specific point you may have muddily and impertinently made. Doing so may help prevent your ridicules from being miss-directed and backfiring, as in this instance.

 

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

Wow, utter codswallop disguised in overblown prose.....has Scratch been giving you lessons?

Allow me to parse what you said:

You r egomaniac. I said things and they were not about things you said which means I cannot be wrong. U r stupidz. Lulz!!!!!

It certainly reveals, and was intended to reveal, someone's ignorance. I am fine with letting the reader decide whose.

 

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

Okay, I decide it is yours. Is this a vote?

[wenglund]

Allow me to parse what you said:

You r egomaniac. I said things and they were not about things you said which means I cannot be wrong. U r stupidz. Lulz!!!!!

 

 

You are confusing "parse" with "straw."  With such basic comprehensive challenges (Beastie must have rubbed off on you), it is best that you leave the "parsing" to trained professionals.

 

Okay, I decide it is yours. Is this a vote?

 

People are free to make of it whatever they wish. If you have a special need for a poll, then by all means have at it.

 

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

Edited January 20, 2014 by wenglund

[The Nehor]

You are confusing "parse" with "straw."  With such basic comprehensive challenges (Beastie must have rubbed off on you), it is best that you leave the "parsing" to trained professionals.

 

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

No it is more likely that my "parse" is seasoned with "ridicule" and with a dash of necessary "mind reading" because your statement was a little incoherent.

Oh, and I write for a living. I am an expert.

[Mola Ram Suda Ram]

And there is that absolutism again!!!!!!!!!!

I am really confused. I am not sure I see that absolutism here. And even if there is I am not sure that is a bad thing. You are using it as a pejoritve.

[T-Shirt]

I think this is a valuable and important discussion. It is too bad that it will likely get shut down as a result of it becoming so personal and disrespectful. I am hoping the moderators will give it a chance to get back on track.

[Mola Ram Suda Ram]

Yeah I go to lunch and come back to some interesting comments.  For the most part I thought that this discussion was mostly respectful.

[The Nehor]

I think this is a valuable and important discussion. It is too bad that it will likely get shut down as a result of it becoming so personal and disrespectful. I am hoping the moderators will give it a chance to get back on track.

I do not share your hopes. I am one of those people who just wants to watch the world burn.

[wenglund]

No it is more likely that my "parse" is seasoned with "ridicule" and with a dash of necessary "mind reading" because your statement was a little incoherent.

Oh, and I write for a living. I am an expert.

 

Yes, and "your good enough, and smart enough, and doggone it, people like you." (Stuart Smiley)

 

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

[The Nehor]

Yes, and "your good enough, and smart enough, and doggone it, people like you." (Stuart Smiley)

 

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

Stuart Smalley. I try to emulate him in all things but I just do not look good in that sweater.

[wenglund]

I think this is a valuable and important discussion. It is too bad that it will likely get shut down as a result of it becoming so personal and disrespectful. I am hoping the moderators will give it a chance to get back on track.

 

I share your hope, but I also value perfectly harmless sardonic exchanges to spice up potentially mundane and boring subject matter.

 

If people are getting offended (I certainly have not, and I trust The Nehor hasn't either--he is far too intelligent for that), I will cease and desist with the jovial barbs.

 

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

[Mola Ram Suda Ram]

I share your hope, but I also value perfectly harmless sardonic exchanges to spice up potentially mundane and boring subject matter.

 

If people are getting offended (I certainly have not, and I trust The Nehor hasn't either--he is far too intelligent for that), I will cease and desist with the jovial barbs.

 

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

Well I certainly can enjoy those comments. But sometimes the mods and others have a hard time with them. I figured there was a bromance developing between you 2.

[wenglund]

Stuart Smalley. I try to emulate him in all things but I just do not look good in that sweater.

 

As long as you can maintain Stuart's Asperger-like flat affect , there shouldn't be a problem foregoing the sweater. Most any color oxford shirt should suffice (though pastels are preferred)--particularly for modesty purposes.

 

Okay...I'll stop.

 

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

[Freedom]

Wade,

Read some history. Clearly there is a role for social welfare to prevent the poverty of earlier ages. Clearly there are those who need help and cannot get it. Yes, your grandmother was a wonderful person, but she had friends to watch her children, a church to give her extra food, and a culture of involvement. Today this does not exist. We can lament it or we can accept it and take measures to prevent the younger generation from following the steps of their parents. You seem to feel that any proposal to fund programs for the poor is socialism and destructive to society. Not every having married nor having raised children has sheltered you from the realities of the modern age. I am in my childrens schools almost every day and I volunteer as much as I can, but many children need support because we no longer have extended family or churches. These children need support and if they receive the proper support at a younger age, they will come out of poverty. This has been proven again and again. There are also many who, unlike your mother, lack the capacity to be employed either due to mental illness or learning disabilities. 

[Mola Ram Suda Ram]

Wade,

Read some history. Clearly there is a role for social welfare to prevent the poverty of earlier ages. Clearly there are those who need help and cannot get it. Yes, your grandmother was a wonderful person, but she had friends to watch her children, a church to give her extra food, and a culture of involvement. Today this does not exist.

We should ask why that does not exsist? I think a rather compelling argument could be made that it just might be the government programs that were enacted that created the current culture of welfare and attitudes in general. And you know you can stop beating Wade up, I am sure that you can tell that he like Nehor is not just some dumb rube that has no idea what is really going on.