Need Help With Uninformed Black African Member

[canard78]

There was no "Adam-God" doctrine. What Brigham taught is actually still taught in the Temple, and at plenty of other times at the same exact time he taught the "traditional" views of Adam and God. Thus, what he was teaching is being misunderstood.

Also, if you actually read the repudiation, it specifically and primarily refers to "critics" views of the issue, not LDS.

I don't believe the policy was false. I believe some of the justifications and views attempting to explain it was false, but not the policy itself.

The above article also explains some of my own views on the issue.

There's another thread for Adam/God so I'll avoid the tangent.

Was the policy the will of God or the will of man?

If the will of God, can you show me where He made his will known?

There was no revelation

There was no acceptance by common consent

There was no scriptural mandate (there was a "philosophies of man" interpretation of Ham's curse, but not a clear "no priesthood for Negroes" scriptural instruction)

If it was not false it must then be God's will. I don't see any evidence of God's will being the initiation of this process.

At best we have false read of Noah era events. Therefore... It was a false practice.

[Calm]

Abraham 1:21-27.

Various members including people we regard as prophets. seers, and revelators have given their own speculations as to its meaning. To date none of those speculations have been confirmed as the reason by God, and we claim to not know the why of the ban. Just that the ban existed, and is in the Scriptures.

And where does it say anything about "dark skin" in those verses?

Again this was your claim:

The curse was the lack of Priesthood, the sign of the curse was a darkened skin. Those verses are in Scripture.

Edited June 20, 2013 by calmoriah

[Calm]

And if my answer and your answer is different what then? If my answer from God is different to the leadership's do I simply leave or do I become a heretic and try to teach a prophet the error of his ways? Don't we attend a church whose membership are told they "should not campaign for rights?"

You have to decide that one for yourself just as I have for my self.

[Calm]

I think that God was waiting for a time when a prophet asked (several did over the years) and a quorum (decisions have to be made by consensus and we know that some even in 1978 had pretty strong feelings on the subject) and membership were prepared to accept the revelation.

It is possible in my view that God was saying "yes" and some refused to hear it which is why David O. McKay got the answer "not yet"...meaning they would have to wait until all of the FP and 12 were willing to listen.

The belief or just feeling of blacks as inferior was pretty widespread throughout america for a very long time including long after the civil rights acts of 1965.

It unfortunately still exists today, widespread but not as concentrated if you get my meaning. Edited June 20, 2013 by calmoriah

[Calm]

I guess such a vision does have an effect on the people involved.

He wasn't suggesting otherwise...he was wondering why the same method wasn't used for the bigotry that existed against the blacks in the Church if it was used for the bigotry against plural marriage.

[Calm]

These days, the critics are using the internet to distract members from what is important: the truthfulness of the book of mormon and the 11 witnesses.....

The Prophet Joseph Smith once declared that all things “which pertain to our religion are only appendages” to the Atonement ofJesus Christ.¹In like manner and for the same reasons, every truth that a missionary or member teaches is only an appendage to the central message of all time—that Jesus is the Christ, the Only Begotten Son of God, the Holy Messiah, the Promised One, the Savior and Redeemer of the world; that He alone burst the bands of death and triumphed over the captivity of hell; that no one of us could ever have those same blessings without His intervention in our behalf; and that there never shall be any “other name given nor any other way nor means whereby salvation can come unto the children of men, [except] in and through the name of Christ, the Lord Omnipotent.”

https://www.lds.org/ensign/2001/03/missionary-work-and-the-atonement?lang=eng

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[Calm]

Ummm...no

Book of Mormon and the 11 Witnesses aren't even top five.

I see cinepro beat me to it.

[ERayR]

Just because their perception was false does not mean we can excuse it.

Its not our call.

[Calm]

Sweet! Not only do I have mortal superiority, but being BIC from pioneer stock means I also had premortal superiority:)

I have always wondered if BICs actually were inferior premortally because they are more likely to be LDS than someone who is outside is likely to convert and maintain their membership. Perhaps the Lord was being generous to the less spiritual by allowing them to start ahead of the game, otherwise they wouldn't have a chance at keeping up with the rest who convert.

[Calm]

Eother that or you are a colossal screwup that needed the extra help. Either way.....

Like minds...

[omni]

I have always wondered if BICs actually were inferior premortally because they are more likely to be LDS than someone who is outside is likely to convert and maintain their membership. Perhaps the Lord was being generous to the less spiritual by allowing them to start ahead of the game, otherwise they wouldn't have a chance at keeping up with the rest who convert.

Thanks Cal, just when I was starting to get a superiority complex...

[Kenngo1969]

I find the idea quite disturbing that God has a chosen people and if weren't lucky enough to be born into it you don't get the blessings of the gospel. ...

Well, you know, there's that whole "work-on-behalf-of-the-dead" thingie and temples and all that!