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From the article: "The files showed a "very low" incidence of abuse among Scout leaders, said psychiatrist Dr. Jennifer Warren, who conducted the review with a team of graduate students and served as an expert witness for the Scouts in the 2010 case that made the files public."

As I noted when you brought this up with the last article. The policies of the BSA were uniformly more protective and progressive than law and practice in the general population at the time. Cover ups were exceptions to the rule and the fault of individuals not doing their duty under BSAs mandates, not the rule of the BSA.

The BSA was in a tough spot making decisions on when to get police involved on reports of abuse prior to mandatory reporting laws. Even then they banned suspected abusers from the Scouts.

The files are open so the don't need to be "opened" and the policies and practices of the BSA are very child friendly. Don't confuse the editorializing about cover ups and problems with the actual events and records which show the BSA policy was to protect youth and with few exceptions they did that quite well.

As a matter of comparison many child services departments drop the ball on following up with child abuse cases, that does not mean health and human services has a conspiracy to hide child abuse.

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They are now finding evidence of hidden files that show a cover up from within BSA and our law officers and judges, etc. It's time to open the files and stop child abuse!!

Yes, the hysterical, unthinking, knee-jerk reaction is to slash-and-burn until the problem is completely eradicated.

The only 100% reliable way to completely eradicate child abuse is to entirely eradicate the human species. Then there will be no more adults and no more children.

However, a more rational approach is to measure how much harm and how much good the group under discussion does. And when we do this, we find that the Scouts have a pretty good record.

Keep in mind that boy scouts are not infants. They are older pre-pubescent and early-pubescent males, which means they are the prime targets for a certain segment of the population; which segment can be heard to complain bitterly that they are not allowed unsupervised access to them.

I wonder why.

Regards,

Pahoran

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http://xfinity.comca...ut.Abuse.Files/

They are now finding evidence of hidden files that show a cover up from within BSA and our law officers and judges, etc. It's time to open the files and stop child abuse!!

The records actually show a very low incidence of occurrence. The Boy Scouts, however, are under attack so they are the recipients of misleading headlines and articles.

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The records actually show a very low incidence of occurrence. The Boy Scouts, however, are under attack so they are the recipients of misleading headlines and articles.

I watched a local news channel (Utah) earlier today that reported on the OP article, they said 80 out of 1000 of the files were from Utah. I'm glad it wasn't more than that, sad that there were any at all, but anyway I think anytime we open and air any abuse against humans everywhere, it helps stop it!
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80 out of 1000 files containing allegations. How many of those were proven abuse cases that were not reported. I suspect when the headlines are done being grabbed the incident rate of cover ups will be so incredibly low that it won't make the papers even under the fold. Kind of like Romney's tax returns.

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I watched a local news channel (Utah) earlier today that reported on the OP article, they said 80 out of 1000 of the files were from Utah. I'm glad it wasn't more than that, sad that there were any at all, but anyway I think anytime we open and air any abuse against humans everywhere, it helps stop it!

I am all for stopping it but it is being used to attempt to destroy the Boy Scouts. 1,000 cases out of how many boys have come through the scouting program? Do the math.

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I am all for stopping it but it is being used to attempt to destroy the Boy Scouts. 1,000 cases out of how many boys have come through the scouting program? Do the math.

What's wrong with the church having a program without BSA? It would save alot of money in the long run. Think no more Friends of Scouting, money that doesn't stay with the troop but goes straight to the BSA management. The church owns several properties to have camps on. Just my opinion. Sorry if I stepped on toes here. But it sounds like BSA has a little bit of corruption somewhere.

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The church owns several properties to have camps on.

Not out here in the "mission field" they don't. However if the church did pull out of the scouts they would almost certainly go belly up so I guess the church could turn around and buy up all the property.

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What's wrong with the church having a program without BSA? It would save alot of money in the long run. Think no more Friends of Scouting, money that doesn't stay with the troop but goes straight to the BSA management. The church owns several properties to have camps on. Just my opinion. Sorry if I stepped on toes here. But it sounds like BSA has a little bit of corruption somewhere.

You didn't read what I said. The issue is not that the church could or could not run their own program. It is that the Boy Scout organization is being targeted for destruction. The Boy Scouts have an admirable record for an organization of that size. Have the made mistakes? Yes. Do they deserve the grief they are getting? No. They can't win. They are being attacked for not doing enough and they are being attacked for doing too much(excluding high risk individuals).

I have been known to criticize the inordinate portion of their budget shouldered by the church units but that has nothing to do with this problem. It irritates and saddens me to see good people jumping on the bandwagon to destroy them.

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If BSA goes belly up, that is likely not going to affect the Church all that much. They are large enough and organised enough to run their own programs, but what about all the other troups and boys they've helped over the years? Are any other groups going to be able to survive with any quality close to what BSA provides? How can a small group even survive the insurance? And it seems more likely to me that a smaller group will have a harder time ensuring predators are watched for as there will be less checks and balances involved.

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If BSA goes belly up, that is likely not going to affect the Church all that much. They are large enough and organised enough to run their own program's, but what about all the other troupe and boys they've helped over the years? Are any other groups going to be able to survive with any quality close to what BSA provides? How can a small group even survive the insurance? And it seems more likely to me that a smaller group will have a harder time ensuring predators are watched for as there will be less checks and balances involved.

True I thought of that also. I guess BSA is a needed organization as long as there are checks and balances of the leadership. I didn't post this OP to bring BSA down.
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