Kenngo1969 Posted July 10, 2012 Posted July 10, 2012 I prefer to believe both translations are correct and there were symbols and a technicolor dream coat. In honor of this I am off to tie-dye my garments. I knew you were a closet raving anti! Are you going to put them on public display suitable for mocking?
KevinG Posted July 10, 2012 Posted July 10, 2012 Rotate it about 45 degrees, all joking aside, it is actually a musical instrument.Are you calling him a lyre-ist? 1
Bill “Papa” Lee Posted July 10, 2012 Posted July 10, 2012 Since this topic relates to the holy garment, I hope that we tread lightly and keep in mind the sacred nature of what the garment symbolizes.I was listening to a talk by Skousen a couple of days ago, and he said that a "coat of many colors" was a bad translation, and that it should be rendered "coat of many markings." That it referred to patterns that were embroidered or had extra thread. He mentioned that the reason the other brothers may have been so jealous because it was the coat of skins worn by Adam a passed down through the generations. Has anyone studied much on this? Are there any good sources and reasons to believe this?I think we try too hard to fit ourselves with the past.
LDSGuy Posted July 10, 2012 Author Posted July 10, 2012 I think we try too hard to fit ourselves with the past.I would hope that we are looking to the past to see where we come from, and to have a better understanding of what we have.
ERayR Posted July 10, 2012 Posted July 10, 2012 I would hope that we are looking to the past to see where we come from, and to have a better understanding of what we have.To do that with much success we have to get a better understanding of the past in the perspective of those in the past and not in the perspective of our own sensibilities. To often we attribute our own meaning to past events. 1
The Nehor Posted July 10, 2012 Posted July 10, 2012 I knew you were a closet raving anti! Are you going to put them on public display suitable for mocking? Yes, as anyone who could mock something as awesome as rainbow garments is already going straight to hell in any case. I'm helping divide the wheat from the chaff my friend.
Bill “Papa” Lee Posted July 10, 2012 Posted July 10, 2012 To do that with much success we have to get a better understanding of the past in the perspective of those in the past and not in the perspective of our own sensibilities. To often we attribute our own meaning to past events.To do that with much success we have to get a better understanding of the past in the perspective of those in the past and not in the perspective of our own sensibilities. To often we attribute our own meaning to past events.That is my point...well said.
Kenngo1969 Posted July 11, 2012 Posted July 11, 2012 Yes, as anyone who could mock something as awesome as rainbow garments is already going straight to hell in any case. I'm helping divide the wheat from the chaff my friend.Sounds like a good plan!
Popular Post volgadon Posted July 11, 2012 Popular Post Posted July 11, 2012 Are you calling him a lyre-ist?Yes. Lyres are to blame for all the sax and violins in the world today. 6
LDSGuy Posted July 11, 2012 Author Posted July 11, 2012 To do that with much success we have to get a better understanding of the past in the perspective of those in the past and not in the perspective of our own sensibilities. To often we attribute our own meaning to past events.I agree. We should try to see the past through the lens of the ancients. However, when we begin to see similarities, should we not try to understand why things are similar? And thus come to a better understanding of why we are the way we are today? I think it is possible to differentiate between the ancient customs and ours, but still draw upon commonalities.
volgadon Posted July 11, 2012 Posted July 11, 2012 (edited) I agree. We should try to see the past through the lens of the ancients. However, when we begin to see similarities, should we not try to understand why things are similar? And thus come to a better understanding of why we are the way we are today? I think it is possible to differentiate between the ancient customs and ours, but still draw upon commonalities.The question is, are they real similarities, or imagined ones. Edited July 11, 2012 by volgadon 1
Ron Beron Posted July 11, 2012 Posted July 11, 2012 I agree. We should try to see the past through the lens of the ancients. However, when we begin to see similarities, should we not try to understand why things are similar? And thus come to a better understanding of why we are the way we are today? I think it is possible to differentiate between the ancient customs and ours, but still draw upon commonalities.If we truly saw the ancients through our eyes and as they really were I am afraid that we would be terrified at the reality of their existences and shudder to think that we are the evolution of it. I believe that the ancient modes of prophecy and divination have more in common with the primitive shaman and ecstatic prophecy than it does with the modern General Conference and the voting of whether an item is canonical or not.
volgadon Posted July 11, 2012 Posted July 11, 2012 There is this from the article, Girded about with a Lambskin by Matthew B. Brown, Journal Of Book Of Mormon Studies 6/2 (1997), Footnote 5, p, 125-26.I've actually got a few quibbles with the footnoted material, but there are interesting typological connections between Joseph and the 2nd Temple's high priests. 1
KevinG Posted July 11, 2012 Posted July 11, 2012 Yes. Lyres are to blame for all the sax and violins in the world today.Well played sir!
Bill “Papa” Lee Posted July 13, 2012 Posted July 13, 2012 I would hope that we are looking to the past to see where we come from, and to have a better understanding of what we have.This is the restored Gospel of Christ...not reformed OT Temple worship. Christ changed all things.
Ron Beron Posted July 13, 2012 Posted July 13, 2012 This is the restored Gospel of Christ...not reformed OT Temple worship. Christ changed all things.In a way it is. We do have temples today based not on temporal sacrifice, but spiritual sacrifice centered on Jesus.
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