Alan Posted February 14, 2012 Posted February 14, 2012 I am looking for some help with this scripture regarding the New Jerusalem temple. On first reading it appears to be a false prophecy. I have read some explanations regarding the definition of the term "generation" but these don't seem to address the problem as I see it.If verse 5 said "For verily this generation shall not pass away until an house shall be built......" I wouldn't have a problem really and the explanations about "generation" would fit ok. But it is the presence of the word "all" which in my view creates a difficulty and appears to invalidate the various "generation" interpretations. The verse says:"For verily this generation shall not all pass away until an house shall be built....."Can anyone help?
LeSellers Posted February 14, 2012 Posted February 14, 2012 2 Yea, the word of the Lord concerning his church, established in the last days for the restoration of his people, as he has spoken by the mouth of his prophets, and for the gathering of his saints to stand upon Mount Zion, which shall be the city of New Jerusalem. 3 Which city shall be built, beginning at the temple lot, which is appointed by the finger of the Lord, in the western boundaries of the State of Missouri, and dedicated by the hand of Joseph Smith, Jun., and others with whom the Lord was well pleased.4 Verily this is the word of the Lord, that the city New Jerusalem shall be built by the gathering of the saints, beginning at this place, even the place of the temple, which temple shall be reared in this generation. 5 For verily this generation shall not all pass away until an house shall be built unto the Lord, and a cloud shall rest upon it, which cloud shall be even the glory of the Lord, which shall fill the house.When the City of the New Jerusalem is built, when the Saints gather there, then and only then does the "generational clock" begin ticking. The Temple is the final act, not the beginning. The city must be built first.In ancient times, a nomad would pitch his tent by putting the center stake in the ground, then laying out the cloth ("curtains") of the tent . But he'd remove that center stake until the stakes that held the walls of the tent were in place. After setting the peripheral stakes, he could return into the tent and raise the center stake (or pole) to its final position holding the tent up.Just so, the Lord positioned His tent (Zion) in Missouri, but removed that center stake while He placed the peripheral stakes around the world. At some pioint in the (not-too-distant?) future, He'll replace that center stake and we will build His Temples (all 24 of them) there.Lehi
JAHS Posted February 14, 2012 Posted February 14, 2012 (edited) Verily this is the word of the Lord, that the city aNew Jerusalem shall be built by the gathering of the saints, beginning at this place, even the place of the temple, which btemple shall be creared in this dgeneration.For verily this generation shall not all pass away until an bhouse shall be built unto the Lord, and a ccloud shall rest upon it, which cloud shall be even the dglory of the Lord, which shall fill the house. (D&C 84:4-5)Some interpret "an house" in verse 5 to refer to the temple that was built in kirkland about 4 years after this revelation; not to the new jerusalem temple. Edited February 14, 2012 by JAHS
zerinus Posted February 14, 2012 Posted February 14, 2012 (edited) I am looking for some help with this scripture regarding the New Jerusalem temple. On first reading it appears to be a false prophecy. I have read some explanations regarding the definition of the term "generation" but these don't seem to address the problem as I see it.If verse 5 said "For verily this generation shall not pass away until an house shall be built......" I wouldn't have a problem really and the explanations about "generation" would fit ok. But it is the presence of the word "all" which in my view creates a difficulty and appears to invalidate the various "generation" interpretations. The verse says:"For verily this generation shall not all pass away until an house shall be built....."Can anyone help?D&C 84:2 Yea, the word of the Lord concerning his church, established in the last days for the restoration of his people, as he has spoken by the mouth of his prophets, and for the gathering of his saints to stand upon Mount Zion, which shall be the city of New Jerusalem.3 Which city shall be built, beginning at the temple lot, which is appointed by the finger of the Lord, in the western boundaries of the State of Missouri, and dedicated by the hand of Joseph Smith, Jun., and others with whom the Lord was well pleased.4 Verily this is the word of the Lord, that the city New Jerusalem shall be built by the gathering of the saints, beginning at this place, even the place of the temple, which temple shall be reared in this generation.5 For verily this generation shall not all pass away until an house shall be built unto the Lord, and a cloud shall rest upon it, which cloud shall be even the glory of the Lord, which shall fill the house.It is a commandment, not a prophecy. It is like the commandment, "Thou shalt not kill ..." It doesn't mean that you won't kill. It means that you shouldn't. The fulfilling of the commandment was contingent on their faithfulness. As they were not altogether faithful, they failed in the building of the city as well as the temple (at that time). It does not mean that the commandment will not yet be fulfilled in the future. Edited February 14, 2012 by zerinus
inquiringmind Posted February 16, 2012 Posted February 16, 2012 How do you tell a commandment from a prophecy?
The Nehor Posted February 16, 2012 Posted February 16, 2012 How do you tell a commandment from a prophecy?Prophecies tell you what is going to happen. Commandments tell you to do something.The latter are much more prevalent. This annoys me.
Avatar4321 Posted February 17, 2012 Posted February 17, 2012 A house of the Lord was built at "this" place. The revelation as given in Kirtland.
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