Bill “Papa” Lee Posted November 8, 2011 Posted November 8, 2011 I want to take use this as an extension to another thread about the death of the Father…http://www.mormondialogue.org/topic/56190-death-of-the-father-why-the-nicene-creed-necessitated-the-restoration/Many Churches have killed off (IMO) the Father in relation to prayer; so this is the angle I would like to focus on. Is God the Father dead in the lives of those who reject him in this way, or those who will not pray to him, or those who will not even pray to any Deity, but to Saints who lived upon the earth?I want honesty and respect for other faiths, but this issue has always troubled me. In my Baptist home growing up we were taught to pray unto the Father in Christ’s name.Christ commanded us to pray to the Father and always did so himself as an example, but people would rather follow the example of about four Apostles who knew Christ personally for their model of prayer.Don’t the words an example of Christ trump the words of his servants?
Calm Posted November 8, 2011 Posted November 8, 2011 I think it is an overstatement to say the Father has been "killed off". At worst, he is being ignored by some...which is very different.I see it as some denominations putting a greater distance in the relationship than there should be.
Storm Rider Posted November 9, 2011 Posted November 9, 2011 I want to take use this as an extension to another thread about the death of the Father…http://www.mormondia...he-restoration/Many Churches have killed off (IMO) the Father in relation to prayer; so this is the angle I would like to focus on. Is God the Father dead in the lives of those who reject him in this way, or those who will not pray to him, or those who will not even pray to any Deity, but to Saints who lived upon the earth?I want honesty and respect for other faiths, but this issue has always troubled me. In my Baptist home growing up we were taught to pray unto the Father in Christ’s name.Christ commanded us to pray to the Father and always did so himself as an example, but people would rather follow the example of about four Apostles who knew Christ personally for their model of prayer.Don’t the words an example of Christ trump the words of his servants?It is too strong to say that the Father is dead; he has simply become a forgotten element of prayer and worship. The Savior has become the sole focus of so many of the Protestants while the Catholics have incorporated Mary to such a degree as to make even the Savior a less personal entity while Mary has become the Intermediary with the Trinity.
Bill “Papa” Lee Posted November 9, 2011 Author Posted November 9, 2011 I think it is an overstatement to say the Father has been "killed off". At worst, he is being ignored by some...which is very different.I see it as some denominations putting a greater distance in the relationship than there should be.Maybe an overstatement...but Jesus could not do but a few miracles in his hometown because of disbelief. I think it is always man through action or inaction that binds the hands of God.
Bill “Papa” Lee Posted November 9, 2011 Author Posted November 9, 2011 (edited) It is too strong to say that the Father is dead; he has simply become a forgotten element of prayer and worship. The Savior has become the sole focus of so many of the Protestants while the Catholics have incorporated Mary to such a degree as to make even the Savior a less personal entity while Mary has become the Intermediary with the Trinity.It was a play on words using the Time article "God is Dead". I will provide a link as I know many are to young to remember.http://www.time.com/...9660408,00.htmlBTW, I am in no way suggesting "God is Dead", but unable to bless those who will not allow him too. Edited November 9, 2011 by Bill “Papa” Lee
thesometimesaint Posted November 9, 2011 Posted November 9, 2011 Nietzche: God is dead.God: Nietzche is dead.
Bill “Papa” Lee Posted November 9, 2011 Author Posted November 9, 2011 Nietzche: God is dead.God: Nietzche is dead.I remember this quote. I wonder if he rent his clothing when he said this?
thesometimesaint Posted November 9, 2011 Posted November 9, 2011 Pa Pa:Both are correct, at least in a philosophical sense.Nietzche lived in a time of the moribund churches of Europe. They were little more than pomp and cicumstance. It had disappeared as a positive living force for change in the lives of people. I can see why Nietzche would say what he said.God of course is not dead, and Nietzche while physically dead still makes us ask the question: How is my religion reflected in my life?
Storm Rider Posted November 10, 2011 Posted November 10, 2011 It was a play on words using the Time article "God is Dead". I will provide a link as I know many are to young to remember.http://www.time.com/...9660408,00.htmlBTW, I am in no way suggesting "God is Dead", but unable to bless those who will not allow him too.I seem to recall reading the article. If it was the same one I remember it pointed out that the LDS Church was one of the very few churches that continued to focus on the God the Father. It was an excellent article.
saemo Posted November 12, 2011 Posted November 12, 2011 This is of course, a straw man, maybe even a Golem.
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