alter idem Posted July 4, 2011 Posted July 4, 2011 (edited) As the Lord's Prophet, President Kimball stressed the need for the world to remember the commandment to honor the Sabbath day and keep it holy--Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do thy work, but the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservants, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:He said "That commandment has never been rescinded nor modified, it has been reinforced in modern times." While it is business as usual on the Sabbath in the world of entertainment and service, I think this is a new development--starting with the US House and Senate working on the Sabbath to pass Obamacare last year, now the Court in the Casey Anthony trial continued the trial on Sunday--and Monday also, which is a holiday; Independence day. While I understand the Judge's reasoning--the jury is tired and the trial has gone on a long time and he wants to send them home. So he decided to hold the closing arguments on Sunday, however, I can't help but worry that this is symptomatic of the decline from our judeo-christian roots to a secular nation, like so many that have come and gone throughout history.I don't think this is something to take lightly. The Book of Mormon holds a warning for those who possess the Promised Land; "Inasmuch as ye shall keep my commandments ye shall prosper in the land; but inasmuch as ye will not keep my commandments, ye shall be cut off from my presence.'2 Ne 1:20"This land is consecrated unto him whom he shall bring and if it so be that they shall serve him according to the commandments which he hath given, it shall be a land of liberty unto them; where they shall never be brought down into captivity; if so it shall be because of iniquity; for if iniquity shall abound cursed shall be the land for their sakes" 2 Ne 1:7 "if the day shall come that they will reject the Holy One of Israel, the true Messiah, their Redeemer and their God, behold the judgments of him that is just shall rest upon them." 2 Ne 1:10When we turn from the God of this land, we, as a nation, lose the protection that is contingent on our honoring him. As we 'ripen in iniquity' we need to worry about our future.While we might think Sabbath breaking is no big deal, if you read the scriptures, it is to the Lord and he sees that we no longer honor our judeo-christian values. We are becoming 'ripe'. What do you think? Edited July 4, 2011 by alter idem 1
cacheman Posted July 4, 2011 Posted July 4, 2011 While it is business as usual on the Sabbath in the world of entertainment and service, I think this is a new development--starting with the US House and Senate working on the Sabbath to pass Obamacare last year, now the Court in the Casey Anthony trial continued the trial on Sunday--and Monday also, which is a holiday; Independence day. I'm not sure about court cases, but congress calling special sessions occasionally on Sundays did not start last year. While we might think Sabbath breaking is no big deal, if you read the scriptures, it is to the Lord and he sees that we no longer honor our judeo-christian values. We are becoming 'ripe'. Did you mean to say 'Judeo-Christian', or just 'Christian'? Are you also concerned about keeping the Jewish sabbath holy? How about Seventh Day Adventists?What do you think?I'm not too concerned about it....cacheman 2
LDSToronto Posted July 4, 2011 Posted July 4, 2011 What do you think?I visit the USA all the time, and it appears to me that the Sabbath holds little importance - shops are open, eateries are open, people are out shopping, sporting events are held everywhere.I doubt that holding a trial or having the government work on Sundays is a tipping point.H. 2
alter idem Posted July 4, 2011 Author Posted July 4, 2011 I'm not sure about court cases, but congress calling special sessions occasionally on Sundays did not start last year. Did you mean to say 'Judeo-Christian', or just 'Christian'? Are you also concerned about keeping the Jewish sabbath holy? How about Seventh Day Adventists?I'm not too concerned about it....cachemanI mean 'judeo-christian' as having roots in Judaism and Christianity.
thesometimesaint Posted July 4, 2011 Posted July 4, 2011 Luke:I think we all can get too pharisaical against someone else if we want to.See Luke 14:5 5. And answered them, saying, Which of you shall have an *** or an ox fallen into a pit, and will not straightway pull him out on the asabbath day?
urroner Posted July 4, 2011 Posted July 4, 2011 Luke:I think we all can get too pharisaical against someone else if we want to.See Luke 14:5 5. And answered them, saying, Which of you shall have an *** or an ox fallen into a pit, and will not straightway pull him out on the asabbath day?And which of those two animals are you calling Casey Anothony TSS? :acute:
Deborah Posted July 4, 2011 Posted July 4, 2011 My problem with this trial is why is it on every news station and why are people watching it and even beating each other up in line to get in? I don't think these things should be televised as I think that people knowing they are on TV will behave differently. I also think if the jury doesn't mete out justice the Lord will so why obsess with it?
Deborah Posted July 4, 2011 Posted July 4, 2011 Oh, and btw as far as the Sabbath question, I don't have an issue with something like this being continued on the Sabbath given the circumstances, as long as it is a rare occurrence. I for one though wouldn't want to be on that jury and have my holiday weekend ruined.
LDSToronto Posted July 4, 2011 Posted July 4, 2011 My problem with this trial is why is it on every news station and why are people watching it and even beating each other up in line to get in? I don't think these things should be televised as I think that people knowing they are on TV will behave differently. I also think if the jury doesn't mete out justice the Lord will so why obsess with it?To be honest, I just googled "Casey Anthony". Until two days ago, when a friend posted something on FB, I hadn't even heard of this case.H.
urroner Posted July 4, 2011 Posted July 4, 2011 To be honest, I just googled "Casey Anthony". Until two days ago, when a friend posted something on FB, I hadn't even heard of this case.H.Try living only about 30 miles away from Orlando. No wonder I'm so depressed.
CARPE DIEM Posted July 4, 2011 Posted July 4, 2011 Oh, and btw as far as the Sabbath question, I don't have an issue with something like this being continued on the Sabbath given the circumstances, as long as it is a rare occurrence. I for one though wouldn't want to be on that jury and have my holiday weekend ruined.You could always write a book afterwords and become important! Maybe!
alter idem Posted July 4, 2011 Author Posted July 4, 2011 Okaaay. Other than a Catholic who commented on all the stores being open on Sunday in LA and Vegas and thinks LDS are irreverent and liberal, the majority opinion seems to be that Pres. Kimball was making a big deal out of nothing and I'm in danger of being 'Pharisaical' in my concerns. The other comments were about the Casey Anthony trial--which wasn't actually the topic.
cacheman Posted July 4, 2011 Posted July 4, 2011 (edited) Okaaay. Other than a Catholic who commented on all the stores being open on Sunday in LA and Vegas and thinks LDS are irreverent and liberal, the majority opinion seems to be that Pres. Kimball was making a big deal out of nothing and I'm in danger of being 'Pharisaical' in my concerns. The other comments were about the Casey Anthony trial--which wasn't actually the topic.I don't think you're being pharisaical. I just think that your worries are unwarranted. From my quick internet search, I was able to find a regular pattern of sabbath congressional sessions in the early 1800's. I only came across two sabbath sessions in recent times (2005 and 2009). There are likely more examples that I didn't come across, but nevertheless, God's judgement on the US (or whichever nation you believe is being referred to in 2 Nephi, chapter 1) should have been evident much earlier than now.cacheman Edited July 4, 2011 by cacheman
Calm Posted July 4, 2011 Posted July 4, 2011 (edited) Okaaay. Other than a Catholic who commented on all the stores being open on Sunday in LA and Vegas and thinks LDS are irreverent and liberal, the majority opinion seems to be that Pres. Kimball was making a big deal out of nothing and I'm in danger of being 'Pharisaical' in my concerns. I think it is symptomatic of the attitude of commercializing or making things "convenient" rather than "significant" of pretty much everything these days. Holidays are arranged not for the significance of what is being celebrated, but in order to create a longer weekend so there is more party time, for example Washington's Birthday is not actually celebrated on his birthday, but on the third Monday. The "Christmas" season begins around Halloween in some shopping locations, including the playing of Christmas music. This year the Stadium of Fire in Provo was held on Saturday rather than Monday.....I can think of little reason for this except that the organizers figured they'd get more attendees...and yet the whole point of the activity was to celebrate what the Fourth of July symbolizes for America.And of course, Sunday has just become another Saturday for most people with business as usual...so why not extend activities into Sunday just as you would do on Saturday if it's more convenient for people?So much for sacred and other significant symbolic rituals. Edited July 4, 2011 by calmoriah
alter idem Posted July 5, 2011 Author Posted July 5, 2011 I don't think you're being pharisaical. I just think that your worries are unwarranted. From my quick internet search, I was able to find a regular pattern of sabbath congressional sessions in the early 1800's. I only came across two sabbath sessions in recent times (2005 and 2009). There are likely more examples that I didn't come across, but nevertheless, God's judgement on the US (or whichever nation you believe is being referred to in 2 Nephi, chapter 1) should have been evident much earlier than now.cachemanThank you for finding this information. I did some searches but could not find out if Sunday court proceedings were out of the ordinary or a new development.I hope my worries are unwarranted, but I've been concerned as the nation seems to be moving more to secularism and as a person who believes in the prophecies of the Book of Mormon, I worry about the safety and well-being of our nation. To LDS, the United States of America is a nation which has inherited the promised land, but this land comes with responsibility. We are blessed when we follow the Lord's commandments, but we are cursed if we do not.Keeping the Sabbath day holy is one of the 10 commandments--those commandments are recognized by more religions than just LDS, so it seems to me that it would be one that we as a nation are expected to honor. I realize that many Americans have been ignoring this commandment for decades, but I was surprised and shocked the other night to see that the trial was being held on Sunday--it just seemed like something they did not do, but clearly they have done it in the past--though it sounds like it is not common in modern times.
alter idem Posted July 5, 2011 Author Posted July 5, 2011 I think it is symptomatic of the attitude of commercializing or making things "convenient" rather than "significant" of pretty much everything these days. Holidays are arranged not for the significance of what is being celebrated, but in order to create a longer weekend so there is more party time, for example Washington's Birthday is not actually celebrated on his birthday, but on the third Monday. The "Christmas" season begins around Halloween in some shopping locations, including the playing of Christmas music. This year the Stadium of Fire in Provo was held on Saturday rather than Monday.....I can think of little reason for this except that the organizers figured they'd get more attendees...and yet the whole point of the activity was to celebrate what the Fourth of July symbolizes for America.And of course, Sunday has just become another Saturday for most people with business as usual...so why not extend activities into Sunday just as you would do on Saturday if it's more convenient for people?So much for sacred and other significant symbolic rituals.I agree--I think that as a nation we do not hold much 'sacred' anymore. Christmas here in Salt Lake started in the stores this last year well before Halloween! I couldn't believe that one store had Christmas stuff in September. And it's not because of what Christmas represents--it's because of the money that can be made off of Christmas merchandise.I think that as fewer people believe in organized religions and attend church, Sunday is fast losing it's significance to upcoming generations--I'm afraid it is becoming the new 'Monday'--just another day in the week.
LeSellers Posted July 5, 2011 Posted July 5, 2011 Sunday isn't the Sabbath.God told us it is (at least in most of the world).Lehi
Hughes Posted July 5, 2011 Posted July 5, 2011 God told us it is (at least in most of the world).LehiCFR
LeSellers Posted July 5, 2011 Posted July 5, 2011 CFRWhy bother? You don't believe God has told us anything. Lehi 1
Hughes Posted July 5, 2011 Posted July 5, 2011 Why bother? You don't believe God has told us anything. LehiThen God only told the LDS? Is that your position?
LeSellers Posted July 5, 2011 Posted July 5, 2011 Then God only told the LDS? Is that your position?He told us Saints directly; for everyone else, it's subject to interpretation. It's in the Doctrine and Covenants. If you accept it as being the word of God, then He told you, too. It's also in the book of Revelation, but it's not explicit. That doesn't stop its being true. Lehi
Hughes Posted July 5, 2011 Posted July 5, 2011 He told us Saints directly; for everyone else, it's subject to interpretation. It's in the Doctrine and Covenants. If you accept it as being the word of God, then He told you, too. It's also in the book of Revelation, but it's not explicit. That doesn't stop its being true. LehiWhere in Revelation? 1
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