Priesthood And Edowment

[LeSellers]

Go and read the Bible, Then you'll find out what it says, Then ask yourself Is the Bible right or is the book of mormom right.

There were several calls for reference (CFRs) in the message to which you respondend,.

You are required to answer them with specific verses or other sources (which wouldn't do in this case). Otherwise, you are required to retract the assertion.

You'd do well to retract.

The Book of Mormon is every bit as much the word of God as the Bible.

Lehi

[mfbukowski]

False dichotomy, ....

Uh oh.

You better watch them big words! 4 syllables? I don't know....

[mfbukowski]

There were several calls for reference (CFRs) in the message to which you respondend,.

You are required to answer them with specific verses or other sources (which wouldn't do in this case). Otherwise, you are required to retract the assertion.

You'd do well to retract.

The Book of Mormon is every bit as much the word of God as the Bible.

Lehi

And there are no conflicts between them. One compliments the other.

[Avatar4321]

Go and read the Bible, Then you'll find out what it says, Then ask yourself Is the Bible right or is the book of mormom right.

They are both right. That's the beauty of God revealing more of His word. They verify one another.

[Avatar4321]

[1]We are living in New Tesament times now, Not the old testamen times, under the Old testamen the only people who were anointed were the, Prophet Priest and King, But every Christian Is called and anointed to do what God has for them.

Every Christian is a priest unto God.

I don't see what Simon wanting the buy the power to give the Holy Ghost has anything to do with the subject, YOU ARE JUST BEING SILLY.

The power to give the Gift of the Holy Ghost is comes from the Priesthood. If all Christians have Priesthood, which of course is false, then there is no need to purchase said authority is there? Nor would the people need to call the Apostles to give them the Gift of the Holy Ghost.

The New Testament standard is that a man must be called of God as Aaron was. Unless you are seriously calling the author of Hebrews a liar. You have no verse citing any other standard. I suppose that's why I'm silly. Because you lost the argument.

[2]My areguement isn't contary to the scriptures, It is you who is ignorant of the scriptures.

The Biblical standard is that people must be called of God as Aaron was. This is established in the Old and New Testament. To say I'm ignorant when you are denying the very clear standard is absurd.

[3]There are two different Greek word for, "Preached" that Peter used, [1] was to proclaim the victory over the devil, 1 Pet 3: 19.

So Jesus didn't preach the gospel to them in 1 Pet 3: 19.

The other was to Evangelise to the already righteous Saints in peardise, [Arahams bosom], See Lk 16: 19--26. Jesus preached to those people in 1 Pet 4: 6... Other than this one time there is no mention of the dead having the gospel preached to them.

Besides, You need at leat two scriptures to build a doctrine.

Oh, so you can disregard any scripture that teaches something if there isnt another to back it up? Convenient isn't it? Maybe instead you should believe every word that comes forth from the mouth of God instead of just the ones you find convenient.

[4] The devil believes the Bible and Jesus, Lots of false religious people believe Jesus, Lots of sinners believe Jesus, So you believeing Jesus doesn't count for much. It is what you do with what the Bible says that will either justify or condemn you.

Well, which verse states that? Because I'm fairly sure all of scripture states that we need to believe in Jesus Christ and Repent of our sins. Find me a scripture sthat says believing Jesus doesn't count for much. Seriously, Have you even read the New Testament? It's all about believing Christ.

[5] As for the call to the Five fold Ministry the Bible mentions, The Apostle, Prophet, Evangelist, Pastor and Teacher. PLEASE NOTE, NO PRIESTS OR PRIESTHOOD..

Jesus gives the five Ministries, Eph 4: 11--13. And God sets them in the Church, 1 Cor 12: 28--30.

No man can give these Ministers to the Church.

Oh so now there is no priesthood? Which is it? Are all Christians called to the Priesthood or is there none? This seems like a fairly important question to answer concerning the Kingdom of God.

Oh, out of curiosity, where are your Apostles and Prophets?

SO GO AND READ THE BIBLE and learn the truth.

I've read the Bible. And I seem to have much better grasp on it than you do. I could be wrong, but I'm doubtful of that at the moment. Why do you think you can pick and choose what you want to believe from the Bible? Why should I accept your interpretation when you aren't even sure what your interpretation is? It seems that you should study the Bible and talk to the Lord and seek the Spirit. But then I suppose it is difficult to understand the scriptures without the Gift of the Holy Ghost. I have no doubt the Lord will be merciful to you. But you should exercise faith in Jesus Christ. Repent of your sins. Be baptized by one in authority and then recieve the Gift of the Holy Ghost by the laying on of hands. When you have that gift the Lord will reveal thing sto you that you've never before thought of.

[thesometimesaint]

inquiringmind:

To answer your questions. No; You don't need to hold the Melchizedek Priesthood to take in the Endowment. Sisters do it every day. No; You don't need the Melchizedek Priesthood to go to the Celestial Kingdom. Children who die under the age of accountability(generally 8 years old) automatically go to the Celestial Kingdom.

[Kingsson]

CFR please.

CFR. I am unaware of any verse telling us that right as soon as you die there is either an escalator to heavean or an escalator to hell.

No major issue here.

WE do, it is you that is having a hard time believing the bible. WEre in the bible does it claim it is complete?

You can't make statements like you have if you believe the Bible, SO DO YOU BELIEVE IT OR NOT??.

I might, "CFR", If I knew what it is.

[Mola Ram Suda Ram]

I might, "CFR", If I knew what it is.

You are required per board guide lines that you had to read when you signed up that when asked for a reference (Call for Refernce or CFR) that you are to provide on or retract your statement.

[LeSellers]

I might, "CFR", If I knew what it is.

A Call For Reference is a formal request, per the forum rules, to provide explicit support for your claim. You must have failed to read the forum rules, which is something of a no-no itself, because you have been issued a host of CFRs, and have responded to none of them.

Your not knowing the the simple abbreviation is proof enough that you're here to "preach", not "discuss", which is also a no-no.

Lehi

[Kingsson]

The power to give the Gift of the Holy Ghost is comes from the Priesthood. If all Christians have Priesthood, which of course is false, then there is no need to purchase said authority is there? Nor would the people need to call the Apostles to give them the Gift of the Holy Ghost.

The New Testament standard is that a man must be called of God as Aaron was. Unless you are seriously calling the author of Hebrews a liar. You have no verse citing any other standard. I suppose that's why I'm silly. Because you lost the argument.

The Biblical standard is that people must be called of God as Aaron was. This is established in the Old and New Testament. To say I'm ignorant when you are denying the very clear standard is absurd.

Oh, so you can disregard any scripture that teaches something if there isnt another to back it up? Convenient isn't it? Maybe instead you should believe every word that comes forth from the mouth of God instead of just the ones you find convenient.

Well, which verse states that? Because I'm fairly sure all of scripture states that we need to believe in Jesus Christ and Repent of our sins. Find me a scripture sthat says believing Jesus doesn't count for much. Seriously, Have you even read the New Testament? It's all about believing Christ.

Oh so now there is no priesthood? Which is it? Are all Christians called to the Priesthood or is there none? This seems like a fairly important question to answer concerning the Kingdom of God.

Oh, out of curiosity, where are your Apostles and Prophets?

I've read the Bible. And I seem to have much better grasp on it than you do. I could be wrong, but I'm doubtful of that at the moment. Why do you think you can pick and choose what you want to believe from the Bible? Why should I accept your interpretation when you aren't even sure what your interpretation is? It seems that you should study the Bible and talk to the Lord and seek the Spirit. But then I suppose it is difficult to understand the scriptures without the Gift of the Holy Ghost. I have no doubt the Lord will be merciful to you. But you should exercise faith in Jesus Christ. Repent of your sins. Be baptized by one in authority and then recieve the Gift of the Holy Ghost by the laying on of hands. When you have that gift the Lord will reveal thing sto you that you've never before thought of.

[1]PLEASE NOTE, Ananias was just a disciple, He wasn't in the Five fold Ministry, Yet he laid his hands on Saul for the Holy Ghost, SO THAT PROVES YOUR PRIESTHOOD THEORY WRONG.

Where does the Bible say only one of those in the priesthood can lay hands on people??.

[2]There is a difference between every Christian being a priest unto God, and the MInistry of the priesthood as your doctrines say.

[3]The Bible says out of the mouth of two or three witnesses ley every word be established. Every Bible Hebrew and Greek scholars agree that you need at least two scriptures to build a doctrine, Only false religions disagree with this because it proves their doctrines to be wrong.

[4] We have Apostles and Prophets, They have always been in the TRUE CHURCH. So what do you mean, Where are my Apostles??.

So much for your "Better grasp on the Bible", I WOULD GO BACK AND READ IT AGAIN IF I WAS YOU.

[Kingsson]

You are required per board guide lines that you had to read when you signed up that when asked for a reference (Call for Refernce or CFR) that you are to provide on or retract your statement.

Thanks for that, I overlooked that.

[cinepro]

I might, "CFR", If I knew what it is.

Choose the Freakin' Right, dude.

Choose the Freakin' Right.

[cinepro]

[4] We have Apostles and Prophets, They have always been in the TRUE CHURCH. So what do you mean, Where are my Apostles??.

Wait, so the Church wasn't true until 1835?

[mfbukowski]

I might, "CFR", If I knew what it is.

What?

You want an interpretation?

[Kingsson]

Wait, so the Church wasn't true until 1835?

The TRUE CHURCH has been here since the day of pentecost when the Holy Ghost was given to it, And it has been here ever since, Check out the true Church'd history and you'll see there has always been Christians doing healings, miracles, speaking in tongues and using their God given authority and power to do the same works that Jeus did.

Eph 3: 20--21 says the power will be in the Church THROUGHOUT "ALL AGES", WORLD WITHOUT END. So God said the power will be in the Church through ALL the ages. Then come along the mormons [Who think they know more then God] and say the power and authority had ceased in the Church.

Nowhere does the Bible say the power, authority, gifts of the Spirit, Apostlesor Prophets will cease. In fact Paul, After he said the power is in the Church throughout all ages, goes on to say the Apostles, Prophets, Evengelist Pastor and Teachers will be in the TRUE CHURCH Until it is perfected and just like Jesus.

The true church as you say wasn't formed in 1835.. It was formed on the day of pentecost. Acts 2: 1--18.

[Mordecai]

In fact Paul, After he said the power is in the Church throughout all ages, goes on to say the Apostles, Prophets, Evengelist Pastor and Teachers will be in the TRUE CHURCH Until it is perfected and just like Jesus.

CFR that the line of apostleship went unbroken. That's quite an assertion. Your interpretation of Paul is also seriously flawed, as a side note.

The true church as you say wasn't formed in 1835.. It was formed on the day of pentecost. Acts 2: 1--18.

I love Acts, because it is so clear in how the to enter the Church and be saved: #1 Believe what living apostles teach. #2 Repent #3 Be baptized. #4 Receive the Holy Ghost via the laying on of hands by those who were given authority directly from Christ. Great book.

[Kingsson]

CFR that the line of apostleship went unbroken. That's quite an assertion. Your interpretation of Paul is also seriously flawed, as a side note.

I love Acts, because it is so clear in how the to enter the Church and be saved: #1 Believe what living apostles teach. #2 Repent #3 Be baptized. #4 Receive the Holy Ghost via the laying on of hands by those who were given authority directly from Christ. Great book.

Where does the Bible say that line of the Aposrtles was broken??

The Bible wasn't written in Chapter and verse, The translators but them in for clarety puposes. So Eph 3: 20--21, Goes into Eph 4: 1--13.

Saying the power and Ministers willbe in the Church throughtout "ALL AGES", world withough end.

Show me where the Bible says the Apostles and Prophet will end.

Check up the TRUE CURCHES hostory, And tyou'll see that ther has always bee Christians doing healings, miracles, speaking in tongues, That ther has always been Apostles Prophets Evengelists Pastors and Teachers.

AS for the authority to lay hands on people, THAT HAS BEEN GIVEN TO EVERY BORN AGAIN CHRISTIAN. Mk 16, 15--18. Jn 14: 12.

You realy don't know the Bible...DO YOU. You have been brainwashed by the LDS lies.

[Mordecai]

Where does the Bible say that line of the Aposrtles was broken??

It's a historical fact. Stop trolling and provide a reference. Again, CFR. By the way, I've reported you for again failing to provide support for your assertions. The apostles were all killed. That's just reality that reflects Paul's warning that prior to the 2nd coming, there would be a "falling away" (2 Ths 2:3). The 40 Day Evangelium of Jesus (see Acts 1:3) also seems to include a warning of the Church falling. This prophecy appears in multiple versions of this extra-Biblical early Christian texts purporting to include the teachings of the resurrected Christ.

This is what a reference looks like: http://maxwellinstitute.byu.edu/publications/transcripts/?id=114

That's what people do who don't think they're better than everyone. They make arguments and support them, instead of preaching without any foundation nor reason.