Is dark skin a curse?

[mbh26]

So slavery is OK in Abrahamic times, so long as everyone's being nice? Got it.

LDS Toronto, wouldn't Abraham's and Jesus's inaction with regard to slavery pose the same problem for all Christians and Jews that it does for LDS?

[Rivers]

LDS Toronto, wouldn't Abraham's and Jesus's inaction with regard to slavery pose the same problem for all Christians and Jews that it does for LDS?

According to Brigham Young, this was true of his time.

It is a great blessing to the seed of Adam to have the seed of Cain for servants, but those they serve should use them with all the heart and feeling, as they would use their own children, and their compassion should reach over them, and round about them, and treat them as kindly, and with that humane feeling necessary to be shown to mortall beings of the human species. Under these sercumstances there blessings in life are greater in proportion than those who have to provide the bread and dinner for them]

full speech:

http://www.utlm.org/onlineresources/sermons_talks_interviews/brigham1852feb5_priesthoodandblacks.htm

[Rivers]

LDS Toronto, wouldn't Abraham's and Jesus's inaction with regard to slavery pose the same problem for all Christians and Jews that it does for LDS?

According to Brigham Young, this was true of his time.

It is a great blessing to the seed of Adam to have the seed of Cain for servants, but those they serve should use them with all the heart and feeling, as they would use their own children, and their compassion should reach over them, and round about them, and treat them as kindly, and with that humane feeling necessary to be shown to mortall beings of the human species. Under these sercumstances there blessings in life are greater in proportion than those who have to provide the bread and dinner for them

full speech:

http://www.utlm.org/onlineresources/sermons_talks_interviews/brigham1852feb5_priesthoodandblacks.htm

[Eitan]

LDS Toronto, wouldn't Abraham's and Jesus's inaction with regard to slavery pose the same problem for all Christians and Jews that it does for LDS?

Absolutely. In the US, in the 18th and 19th century, if one were arguing for the moral acceptability of slavery, you were on the winning side of a theological debate. I contend it is in SPITE of our Holy books that we were able to eventually see the profound moral wrongs of slavery.

[USU78]

According to Brigham Young, this was true of his time.

full speech: {snip pornographic link}

Sandra's stuff isn't supposed to be linked, if memory serves. Her and Gerald's stuff is religious pornography.

[CA Steve]

Well, if that were the case the Book of Mormon might be nothing more than 500 pages of constant pleading with the native women to put shirts on.

Or pleading with women of this era to remove theirs.

I know you were being funny Cienpro but the immoral issue with topless natives is as we say in the eye of the beholder.

[LDSToronto]

Sandra's stuff isn't supposed to be linked, if memory serves. Her and Gerald's stuff is religious pornography.

I think the link in question was a talk by Brigham Young - did you read it?

[USU78]

I think the link in question was a talk by Brigham Young - did you read it?

Many times. It doesn't mean what you think it means, plainly, but . . . c'est la guerre.

The place it's reproduced has temple content and other objectionable matters that board guidelines, if memory serves, prohibits.

That may not be objectionable to you, but I find it pornographic. In the nature of peeking in my 16-year-old daughter's bathroom window.

Sandra is not a nice lady her "work" (such as it is) is not benign nor fair.

[LDSToronto]

The place it's reproduced has temple content and other objectionable matters that board guidelines, if memory serves, prohibits.

That may not be objectionable to you, but I find it pornographic. In the nature of peeking in my 16-year-old daughter's bathroom window.

Um, while I do find it objectionable, I hardly think it's the same as watching young girls in the washroom.

H.

[USU78]

Um, while I do find it objectionable, I hardly think it's the same as watching young girls in the washroom.

H.

Then the Temple's profoundly personal and sacred nature has plainly escaped you. Pity that.

[citizen28]

I think Nephi was simply mistaken in describing the "curse" placed on the Lamanites. He was viewing the situation through his own cultural context, and thus linked dark skin with a curse. Of course, it's unfair to judge him (and any other prophet of the past) based on modern sensibilities. He was just doing the best he could with what he had.

[LDSToronto]

Then the Temple's profoundly personal and sacred nature has plainly escaped you. Pity that.

Wait... let's look at some facts:

1. The link you referred hosts an article by BY

2. The site that hosts the link also hosts articles containing sacred content

3. I've never read anything on that site, besides a few words of the original linked article

4. You compared the rest of the site to peeping in your daughter bathroom window

5. I agreed that the content may be objectionable, but I don't equate the two as you have

6. You conclude the temple's meaning has escaped me.

Makes sense.

H.

[MichaelM]

Many times. It doesn't mean what you think it means, plainly, but . . . c'est la guerre.

The place it's reproduced has temple content and other objectionable matters that board guidelines, if memory serves, prohibits.

That may not be objectionable to you, but I find it pornographic. In the nature of peeking in my 16-year-old daughter's bathroom window.

Sandra is not a nice lady her "work" (such as it is) is not benign nor fair.

Here is a link online without going to ULM:

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Slavery,_Blacks,_and_the_priesthood

Here is the location of the actual document:

Brigham Young Addresses, Ms d 1234, Box 48, folder 3, dated Feb. 5, 1852, located in the LDS Church Historical Department, Salt Lake City, Utah

[USU78]

Here is a source online without linking to ULM:

Merci!