pattij Posted February 10, 2009 Posted February 10, 2009 I am new here, and realize I am out of step, but I have this burning need to know if anyone sees "jewish tradition" in BOM, and if so where and if not, why not?........Thanks Patti
hagoth7 Posted February 10, 2009 Posted February 10, 2009 I am new here, and realize I am out of step, but I have this burning need to know if anyone sees "jewish tradition" in BOM, and if so where and if not, why not?........Thanks PattiPatti,Welcome! There are others here who are more qualified than me to comment. However, until they show up, I read an article some time ago suggesting King Benjamin's speech was associated with the Feast of Tabernacles. Added: OK, here's an outline, which also cites the source.
lostindc Posted February 10, 2009 Posted February 10, 2009 Patti,Welcome! There are others here who are more qualified to comment when they show up. However, for starters, awhile back, I read an article suggesting King Benjamin's speech (if I'm recalling correctly) was associated with the Feast of Tabernacles. Will look for it and see if there's an online source.Added: OK, here's an outline, which also cites the source.There are a great deal, I have heard several scholars speak on the subject, when I get some time I will go through some texts and try to list some...
hagoth7 Posted February 10, 2009 Posted February 10, 2009 Come to think about it, in 3 Nephi, the Nephites gathering around the Bountiful temple towards the end of their calendar year could also be associated with one of the year-end Jewish feasts.
pattij Posted February 10, 2009 Author Posted February 10, 2009 Patti,Welcome! There are others here who are more qualified than me to comment. However, until they show up, I read an article some time ago suggesting King Benjamin's speech was associated with the Feast of Tabernacles. Added: OK, here's an outline, which also cites the source.Thanks for your reply. I checked out the link and it is great. I come from a messianic jewish background, so I see it all over the place, but I'm thinking maybe I reading into the scriptures . My perspective is one of a Hebraic mindset. It is slightly confusing to me since those activites that I see are not called by their "traditional" Jewish names. I also don't hear it in the sunday lessons ect directly from LDS teachers mouth, and I wonder why. Do I have to give up all jewish tradition, have any of the prophets suggested that? ....just pondering aloud Patti
LeSellers Posted February 10, 2009 Posted February 10, 2009 I have this burning need to know if anyone sees "jewish tradition" in BOM, and if so whereIt is difficult to count the number of times Nephi (for instance) tells us that he enjoined his people to live the Law of Moses. He built a Temple like Solomon's, and other prophet/kings did the same. The phrase, "the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob" appears several times (although only once after the appearance of Christ in Bountiful) in a precise context that underscores the relationship to the House of Israel. Both Nephi and Jacob, his little brother, gave a great Feast speech (probably Feast of the Tabernacles), as did Benjamin. Alma did, too. Jesus' appearance at Bountiful was probably to a group of ignorant Christians (they were observing the Jewish Feast of the Passover after the Resurrection, but didn't know what else to do). The "Jewish Tradition" in the Book of Mormon was strong, and it runs throughout the Nephite scripture, and more importantly, this theme is strongest in the "Old Testament" (1 Nephi~Helaman) part, and shifts abruptly in 3 Nephi.Lehi
098 Posted February 10, 2009 Posted February 10, 2009 The Nephite and Jewish Practice of Blessing God after Eating One's FillAngela M. Crowell, and John A. Tvedtneshttp://farms.byu.edu/publications/jbms/?vo...um=2&id=155
rameumptom Posted February 10, 2009 Posted February 10, 2009 Not all members are trained to recognize the Jewish festivals in the Book of Mormon. Most of our Sunday Schools focus on Nephi's instructions to "liken the scriptures unto us". This is a good method of learning, but I feel misses out on a lot of what we can learn from the scriptures, if we also seek to understand things from the viewpoint of the original author. This is where organizations like FARMS and FAIR come in. They provide online articles and books that explain many things that the scholars find.The Year rites are just one example of this, and are tied to Jacob's teaching at the temple, King Benjamin's teaching at the temple, and Jesus teaching at the temple in Bountiful.Many wonder why the Book of Mormon doesn't have more on the temple and endowment in it. Actually, it is found throughout the book for those who study it sufficiently. Lehi's theophany in 1 Ne 1, is a perfect example of an endowment, as an experience of entering into God's presence. The Vision of the Tree of Life ties the early First Temple experience to our modern temple experience, as Margaret Barker noted that the First Temple had significant usage of the Tree of Life, but was removed by the Deuteronomist Reformers of Josiah's time. Lehi and Jeremiah were both critical of the temple's leaders, and both promoted a different form of Judaism that contained an Abraham in the wilderness approach (Jeremiah with the Rekhabites, and Lehi in his offering sacrifice in the wilderness). This did not destroy the notion of a temple, but enhanced it to its original spiritual roots.Jewish festivals are also tied to the Restoration. Moroni first appeared to Joseph Smith on Sept 23, 1823 - during the Festival of Booths/Trumpets. This ties in perfectly with the idea of the Restoration, which is preparatory to the coming of the Messiah in glory. Then, about a week after the Kirtland Temple dedication (which was filled with angelic manifestations), on Apr 3, 1836, Joseph Smith and Oliver Cowdery experienced a series of revelations (see D&C 110). First, the Savior appeared to them, establishing the Kirtland Temple as the House of the Lord. Then Moses, Elias and Elijah came to restore ancient keys and responsibilities (missionary work, family work, sealing power/temple work respectively). The last of these visits, that of Elijah, was prophecied in the last chapter of Malachi, and repeated by Moroni during those first visits. This return of Elijah occurred on the Feast of Passover. Passover is special for the Jews, not just in remembering the last day of Egyptian slavery and freedom through Moses, but also for the future hope of the coming Elijah as forerunner of the Messiah's glorious return. During the modern feast of Passover, Jews will set up an extra seat at the table for Elijah, in anticipation of his coming. Here, we find that Elijah did return during Passover, and with the Lord came to his temple quickly to restore priesthood keys necessary to prepare the world for the coming Messiah in glory.
098 Posted February 10, 2009 Posted February 10, 2009 Joseph Smith's Receipt of the Plates and the Israelite Feast of TrumpetsLenet H. Read-Hadleyhttp://mi.byu.edu/publications/jbms/?vol=2...num=2&id=35
098 Posted February 10, 2009 Posted February 10, 2009 John Tvedtnes, "The Nephite Feast of Tabernacles," in By Study and Also by Faith (Salt Lake City: Deseret Book, 1990), 2:197-221John Welch, "King Benjaminâ??s Speech in the Context of Ancient Israelite Festivals" (Provo: F.A.R.M.S., 1985).
hagoth7 Posted February 10, 2009 Posted February 10, 2009 Thanks for your reply. I checked out the link and it is great. I come from a messianic jewish background, so I see it all over the place, but I'm thinking maybe I reading into the scriptures.Awesome. My wife and I visited a Messianic Jewish congregation during Rosh Hoshanah a few years back. It was a very memorable, meaningful experience.My perspective is one of a Hebraic mindset.Seriously, that's great. I imagine you might have a lot of insight to offer here in the forum. Are you a relatively new member of the church?It is slightly confusing to me since those activites that I see are not called by their "traditional" Jewish names. I also don't hear it in the sunday lessons ect directly from LDS teachers mouth, and I wonder why.I could be wrong, but my impression is that with all the other things available to study and do, not many LDS people outside institute or college classes spend much time exploring jewish feasts and high holy days. In my lifetime, I can only recall Yom Kippur mentioned in a sacrament meeting once. That's not necessarily a bad thing. But I wouldn't mind more of it. Do I have to give up all jewish tradition, have any of the prophets suggested that?I don't see why you should have to - I haven't heard the prophets say anything to that effect.One of the best families in our ward invited us to spend a traditional passover with them - they hold it every year. It was a great experience.
hagoth7 Posted February 10, 2009 Posted February 10, 2009 Also, there's something here which explores a possible correlation between Joseph's martyrdom and Yom Kippur. (The relevant chapter starts on page 70.)
098 Posted February 10, 2009 Posted February 10, 2009 Do I have to give up all jewish traditionRELIGION PROFESSOR PROMOTES PASSOVERTRADITIONShttp://magazine.byu.edu/?act=view&a=145
Kevin Christensen Posted February 10, 2009 Posted February 10, 2009 The Welch and Szinc article on King Benjamin's Discourse in the Context of Ancient Israelite Festivals is online here:http://www.farms.byu.edu/publications/book...&chapid=119And I have some material on 3 Nephi and the year rite toward the end of this chapter.http://www.farms.byu.edu/publications/pape...mp;chapterID=52Kevin ChristensenPittsburgh, PA
katherine the great Posted February 10, 2009 Posted February 10, 2009 I wonder how many of the Jewish feasts were really being observed at the time Lehi and his family left Jerusalem.
pattij Posted February 10, 2009 Author Posted February 10, 2009 I wonder how many of the Jewish feasts were really being observed at the time Lehi and his family left Jerusalem.I firmly believe they were, and they will not cease.....The Lrd said He would never completly take away the faithful servants, and in jewish context the feasts are one way of assuring there are still the faithful. I believe tabernacles will be celebrated ergo the feast of the Bridegroom, in the heavens.....patti
LeSellers Posted February 10, 2009 Posted February 10, 2009 It is also interesting that we LDSs have General Conference twice a year, plus annual Stake Conference. They're not synchronous with the Three Feasts of Judaism, but they are very similar in purpose and scope.Lehi
ttribe Posted February 11, 2009 Posted February 11, 2009 Do I have to give up all jewish tradition, have any of the prophets suggested that? ....just pondering aloud PattiCertainly not! In one of my courses at BYU we had a Sedar (sp?) feast (minus the alcohol, of course); it was fascinating. One of my Institute instructors once suggested we really cannot come to a full understanding of the gospel without an understanding of the history of the House of Israel - I'd submit the traditions are an integral part of that history. I think there is a great deal you could teach the members of the Church as a result of your background.
ldsfireguy Posted February 13, 2009 Posted February 13, 2009 You should take a look generally at the studies and articles at FARMS and FAIR, both of which have addressed this topic in many ways. Hugh Nibley has also addressed this in some different ways, especially with regards to linguistics.Also, here is a link to the website of Daniel Rona - he is one of many individuals who provide Gospel Doctrine Lesson supplements on their website. He is unique however, in that his heritage is Jewish, he lives in Israel, and I believe he also does tours of Israel for LDS people...his particular perspective on the gospel, and the Book of Mormon, is its Jewish heritage.He is also involved with other Gospel Doctrine teachers from Israel, and BYU professors of ancient hebrew, in working to increase the accuracy of the Hebrew translation of the Book of Mormon.http://www.israelrevealed.com/supplements/...line/index.htmlI think that Rona's website might be of great interest to you as a person of Jewish heritage, and that you may very well benefit from contacting him directly.
Zakuska Posted February 13, 2009 Posted February 13, 2009 Thanks for your reply. I checked out the link and it is great. I come from a messianic jewish background, so I see it all over the place, but I'm thinking maybe I reading into the scriptures . My perspective is one of a Hebraic mindset. It is slightly confusing to me since those activites that I see are not called by their "traditional" Jewish names. I also don't hear it in the sunday lessons ect directly from LDS teachers mouth, and I wonder why. Do I have to give up all jewish tradition, have any of the prophets suggested that? ....just pondering aloud PattiOf course not... but don't expect other to observe them either. I think the answer to your question is right here...Acts 15 1 And certain men which came down from Judaea taught the brethren, and said, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved. 2 When therefore Paul and Barnabas had no small dissension and disputation with them, they determined that Paul and Barnabas, and certain other of them, should go up to Jerusalem unto the apostles and elders about this question. 3 And being brought on their way by the church, they passed through Phenice and Samaria, declaring the conversion of the Gentiles: and they caused great joy unto all the brethren. 4 And when they were come to Jerusalem, they were received of the church, and of the apostles and elders, and they declared all things that God had done with them. 5 But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses. 6
volgadon Posted March 30, 2009 Posted March 30, 2009 I'm a member of the church from Israel. I was born and raised there. We celebrate the Jewish holidays.
ttribe Posted March 30, 2009 Posted March 30, 2009 I'm a member of the church from Israel. I was born and raised there. We celebrate the Jewish holidays.Cool! Can you elaborate some on how members of the Church celebrate the traditional feasts, etc.Oh, and welcome to the Board.
Marquis de Lafayette Posted March 30, 2009 Posted March 30, 2009 The Book of Mormon has been studied by the great Nazi hunter Simon Wisenthal, who apparently saw it the trace of the famous 10 tribes of Israel that are still sought by various institutions in Eretz Israel. Of course the Lamanites and N
volgadon Posted March 31, 2009 Posted March 31, 2009 I have yet to see a decent translation, They are all execrable. The worst has to be the one by the RLDS. Anyway it wouldn't be Sefer haMormon but merely Sefer Mormon, as Mormon is a person. Never heard of the Bnei Shalom, what do they do.As for my family, we don't keept the holidays very strictly, but most of the symbol is very beautiful, especially Passover and Chanuka.
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