Saved Through Faith...

[johnny]

Noah

However, obedience does play a role because it ties back to faith, and faith ties back to agency.

Through faith we receive the Spirit (Gal 3:14). We purify our souls by obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren (1Pet 1:22).

[Flyonthewall]

Flyonthewall

We obeyed his commandments of believe and love because we love God ... we don't obey his commandments so we enter a Mormon temple so we can obey the Mormon commandment of marriage.

God is the one that commanded us to leave our parents and cleave unto our spouse and become one flesh. What God has joined together(by virture of the power and authority of His priesthood), let no man tear asunder. God is the one that commanded us to be fruitful and mutliply.

It seems that you have a big problem mormon marriages. I wonder why.

Do you really believe that the only reason mormons obey any of the commandments is because we think we will earn our salvation? That we do nothing because it is simply the right thing to do? If you do, then you are sorely mistaken.

[Billy]

God is the one that commanded us to leave our parents and cleave unto our spouse and become ONE flesh.

Does this rule out polygamy?

[johnny]

Zakuska

Which are basically all the other commandments rolled up into one (or two as the case is).

Clearly the following Mormon commandments are not rolled up into it,

• Mormon Gospel Principles ". . . each of us has been commanded to marry and have children ...." (Chapter 36)
  
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• Mormon Gospel Principles "Eternal marriage must be performed by proper authority in the temple ... Before we can go to the temple . . . We must be interviewed . . . asked questions like . . . Do you sustain the President of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints as the Prophet, Seer, and Revelator? . . . Are you a full-tithe payer? . . . Do you keep the Word of Wisdom?" (Chapter 38) ""The Lord commands us not to use wine ... tobacco ... coffee ..." (Chapter 29) "We have been given commandments ...the Law of Tithing ..." (Chapter 32)
  

[johnny]

Bee Eff

Your quote merely supports my statement: Faith is all that I can do. There must indeed be works with faith, without them faith is dead, as the body is dead without the spirit. Works are the spirit of faith. This quote doesn't state that there is anything more that you can do.

What must you do to live with your Heavenly Father in the highest kingdom?

[Flyonthewall]

Does this rule out polygamy?

Nope. The whole "House of Israel" (God's chosen people)came through polygamy.

[johnny]

Flyonthewall

God is the one that commanded us to leave our parents and cleave unto our spouse and become one flesh. What God has joined together(by virture of the power and authority of His priesthood), let no man tear asunder. God is the one that commanded us to be fruitful and mutliply.

The commandments of God are that we should believe and love one another (1John 3:23). The Lord taught both marriage and being unmarried for the kingdom of God for those who can receive it (Matt 19:10-12). The apostle Paul taught marriage and that being unmarried is a calling and a gift of God (1Cor 7:7-34). Those who are called to marriage become one flesh which God has joined together (Matt 19:4-6)

It seems that you have a big problem mormon marriages. I wonder why.

I have a problem with the Mormon teaching that the Lord commanded us to marry because this Mormon teaching is contrary to what Jesus and his apostles taught.

[LDSMusic483]

Bee Eff

What must you do to live with your Heavenly Father in the highest kingdom?

Only that which our faith compels us to do. These works, so to say...the commandments which we keep, are all based on our faith. If we do not have faith and do these things, they will prophet us nothing.

[johnny]

Flyonthewall

Nope. The whole "House of Israel" (God's chosen people)came through polygamy.

Under the New Covenant plural wives is fornication (1Cor 7:2). Plural wives is not fornication for those not under the New Covenant (2Sam 12:8 ). The New Covenant began with Jesus and is an everlasting covenant (Heb 8:6-8; Heb 13:20).

[Zakuska]

Noah

Through faith we receive the Spirit (Gal 3:14). We purify our souls by obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren (1Pet 1:22).

We receive the spirit not only through faith...

Acts 5: 32

32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the bHoly Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.

But obedience as well.

[Noah]

Noah

Through faith we receive the Spirit (Gal 3:14). We purify our souls by obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren (1Pet 1:22).

Sounds (mostly) good to me...

Kudos.

Good night everyone. I hope you're all alive and well in the morning.

[Zakuska]

Nope. The whole "House of Israel" (God's chosen people)came through polygamy.

Its funny how people always forget that little detail? How many of Christs Grandfathers where Polygamists? I think Im going to go count that up.

[johnny]

LDSMusic483

Only that which our faith compels us to do. These works, so to say...the commandments which we keep, are all based on our faith. If we do not have faith and do these things, they will prophet us nothing.

You say "the commandments which we keep, are all based on our faith" ... I prefer to keep the commandments based on the Bible. The commandments of God are that we should believe and love one another (1John 3:23).

[LDSMusic483]

Flyonthewall

Under the New Covenant plural wives is fornication (1Cor 7:2). Plural wives is not fornication for those not under the New Covenant (2Sam 12:8 ). The New Covenant began with Jesus and is an everlasting covenant (Heb 8:6-8; Heb 13:20).

No, under the New Covenant...having sex with someone who isn't your wife or your husband is fornication (if you aren't married). He was responding to a specific question in this verse Johnny. Nowhere does it say that the man must have one wife in that verse.

[johnny]

Zakuska

But obedience as well.

Sounds like grace ... Acts 5:32 says "whom God hath given" ... We work out our salvation by God working in us (Phil 2:12,13). We can do nothing without Christ, he is the vine (John 15:5).

[LDSMusic483]

LDSMusic483

You say "the commandments which we keep, are all based on our faith" ... I prefer to keep the commandments based on the Bible. The commandments of God are that we should believe and love one another (1John 3:23).

I'm assuming that you're misunderstanding my words. Our faith comes because of the knowledge we receive from the scriptures and the Lords annointed. The bible is very much a central part of thisfor us.

[johnny]

Noah

Good night everyone. I hope you're all alive and well in the morning.

Good night ...

grace and peace

johnny

[jadams_4242]

Noah

Through faith we receive the Spirit (Gal 3:14). We purify our souls by obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren (1Pet 1:22).

Deuteronamy 11;1 thou shalt love the lord thy God , and keep his charge, and his statutes, and his judgements, and his commandments always.

[johnny]

LDSMusic483

No, under the New Covenant...having sex with someone who isn't your wife or your husband is fornication (if you aren't married). He was responding to a specific question in this verse Johnny. Nowhere does it say that the man must have one wife in that verse.

Clearly it says,

• 1Cor.7 ([2] Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.)
  

[LDSMusic483]

ZakuskaSounds like grace ... Acts 5:32 says "whom God hath given" ... We work out our salvation by God working in us (Phil 2:12,13). We can do nothing without Christ, he is the vine (John 15:5).

Hmmm...that sounds familiar...where have I heard something like that?Oh yeah!!

Alma 26: 12 12 Yea, I know that I am anothing; as to my strength I am weak; therefore I will bnot boast of myself, but I will cboast of my God, for in his dstrength I can do all ethings;

LDSMusic483Clearly it says,

• 1Cor.7 ([2] Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.)
  

Exactly! If you don't want to fornicate...make sure you're married! Now...you may have a case against Polyandry, but that's a whole different topic. If a man has 3 wives...are they not all "his own wife"? He's not sharing them with someone else. They are all seperate marriages.

[Billy]

Its funny how people always forget that little detail? How many of Christs Grandfathers where Polygamists? I think Im going to go count that up.

Are you talking on his FATHERS side?

[johnny]

LDSMusic483

Hmmm...that sounds familiar...where have I heard something like that?

Clearly it wasn't in the Mormon teaching manual, because it teaches:

• Mormon Gospel Principles Chapter 18 "There must be works with faith. ... Faith involves doing all we can to bring about the things we hope and pray for.â?
  

Exactly! If you don't want to fornicate...make sure you're married! Now...you may have a case against Polyandry, but that's a whole different topic. If a man has 3 wives...are they not all "his own wife"? He's not sharing them with someone else. They are all seperate marriages.

If a man has 3 wives ... then that would be "wives" ... scripture says "wife".

[LDSMusic483]

LDSMusic483

Clearly it wasn't in the Mormon teaching manual, because it teaches:

• Mormon Gospel Principles Chapter 18 "There must be works with faith. ... Faith involves doing all we can to bring about the things we hope and pray for.â?
  

Well of course it does. If I'm praying to get a job, and I have faith I will get a job, it won't profit me anything if I don't DO something about it. Hence why faith without works are dead.

If a man has 3 wives ... then that would be "wives" ... scripture says "wife".

Except their question wasn't regarding polygamy, it was regarding fornication.

[johnny]

LDSMusic483

Well of course it does. If I'm praying to get a job, and I have faith I will get a job, it won't profit me anything if I don't DO something about it. Hence why faith without works are dead.

Faith without the spirit is dead works. If by grace, then is it no more of works (Rom 11:6).

Except their question wasn't regarding polygamy, it was regarding fornication.

Polygamy is wives .... wives or polygamy is fornication.

1Cor.7 ([2] Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.)

[LDSMusic483]

LDSMusic483

Faith without the spirit is dead works. If by grace, then is it no more of works (Rom 11:6).

Polygamy is wives .... wives or polygamy is fornication.

1Cor.7 ([2] Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.)

You should go look up the definition of fornication as it seems you have no clue what that word means.