MiserereNobis Posted Wednesday at 01:25 AM Posted Wednesday at 01:25 AM On 8/17/2026 at 10:06 PM, Notatbm said: Another murder at a funeral in Utah today. What is the deal with the Tongan’s? Does the church need to provide armed security at meetinghouses where Tongans attend? Since January this is homicide number two at an lds funeral. sad Racist a bit??
Notatbm Posted Wednesday at 02:32 AM Author Posted Wednesday at 02:32 AM 1 hour ago, MiserereNobis said: Racist a bit?? Yea nehor already accused me of that nice try. Tell me who the police should investigate and or provide security for/ from? Probably the people who are killing each other. In this and the previous incident. Apparently Tongans.
MiserereNobis Posted Wednesday at 03:17 AM Posted Wednesday at 03:17 AM On 8/17/2026 at 10:06 PM, Notatbm said: Another murder at a funeral in Utah today. What is the deal with the Tongan’s? 44 minutes ago, Notatbm said: Yea nehor already accused me of that nice try. Tell me who the police should investigate and or provide security for/ from? Probably the people who are killing each other. In this and the previous incident. Apparently Tongans. A black person murders another black person: "What is the deal with the blacks?" "What is the deal with the Mexicans?" "What is the deal with the Chinese?" How come no one ever says "What is the deal with the whites?" 1
Notatbm Posted Wednesday at 03:57 AM Author Posted Wednesday at 03:57 AM (edited) 1 hour ago, MiserereNobis said: A black person murders another black person: "What is the deal with the blacks?" "What is the deal with the Mexicans?" "What is the deal with the Chinese?" How come no one ever says "What is the deal with the whites?" Rant all you want… in fact write a huge wall of text here about how racist you think I am. Explain in detail how racist you think it is. We alllll want to hear all about it. maybe next time there are two murders at lds funerals and the perps are of a different nationality then whomever that is will get the attention. Make sure if and when it does happen you call that out as racist as well. Until then, I’m thinking the police focus will be on a few Tongans. If that is racist to you then take it up with the cops. fake outrage Edited Wednesday at 05:05 AM by Notatbm
Doctor Steuss Posted yesterday at 02:31 PM Posted yesterday at 02:31 PM Yes, any repeated attacks on LDS congregations committed by a specific demographic need to have security provided to protect from that specific demographic. 1
Notatbm Posted yesterday at 04:58 PM Author Posted yesterday at 04:58 PM 2 hours ago, Doctor Steuss said: Yes, any repeated attacks on LDS congregations committed by a specific demographic need to have security provided to protect from that specific demographic. Agreed-glad they got them
Doctor Steuss Posted yesterday at 06:02 PM Posted yesterday at 06:02 PM 59 minutes ago, Notatbm said: Agreed-glad they got them I'm glad you think white people are a much bigger problem that needs to be addressed much more, given the number of examples and how long it's been a problem. Hopefully the church starts providing security where white people attend, given that they've been the source of violence at meetinghouses for far longer than these recent instances with Tongans. Maybe we can add metal detectors to chapels, and search bags and cars of white people trying to gain access to meetinghouses. Make them show ID, and current tithing settlement statement to confirm they aren't typical white people just there to cause trouble. What's the deal with white people, anyway? Hopefully the police can focus on the white people and this white on white violence. 1
longview Posted yesterday at 06:21 PM Posted yesterday at 06:21 PM On 8/25/2026 at 9:17 PM, MiserereNobis said: A black person murders another black person: "What is the deal with the blacks?" The murder rate with black on black is wildly disproportionate. Is this a race problem? No. Does it have something to do with the glaring absence of fathers from the home? The statistics is overwhelming. What brought this about? Government welfare policies for forcing fathers OUT of the home. Also, government abysmal policies with inner-cities public schools. On 8/25/2026 at 9:17 PM, MiserereNobis said: How come no one ever says "What is the deal with the whites?" There are plenty of problems among "white" ethnicities. White trash, appalling lack of gratitude, hedonism, etc. Generally, human nature.
Notatbm Posted yesterday at 07:22 PM Author Posted yesterday at 07:22 PM 1 hour ago, Doctor Steuss said: I'm glad you think white people are a much bigger problem that needs to be addressed much more, given the number of examples and how long it's been a problem. Hopefully the church starts providing security where white people attend, given that they've been the source of violence at meetinghouses for far longer than these recent instances with Tongans. Maybe we can add metal detectors to chapels, and search bags and cars of white people trying to gain access to meetinghouses. Make them show ID, and current tithing settlement statement to confirm they aren't typical white people just there to cause trouble. What's the deal with white people, anyway? Hopefully the police can focus on the white people and this white on white violence. The history of the "white" people involved in this is it is random, some are not LDS (to include the shooter in Michigan) and there is no pattern other than suspects being white. Kinda hard to do predictive policing and crime prevention when it is that random. No where to focus. Not to mention inthe Michigan one. the police killed the guy so story is over. In Utah we have a much different situation: 1- First shooting early '26 was at a funeral and involved the following factors: **LDS members ** Members of Tongan Crip Gang (TCG) ** Two dead and six injured. Evidence of multiple firearms at scene 2- Second shooting Aug '26 ** At a funeral for a TCG member who was killed during a probable robbery attempt ** TCG members attending funeral ** More people shot and killed at this funeral **Two more TCG members just got arrested a couple days ago for obstruction with this Aug 26 incident. Commonalities: Utah (Salt Lake area), Mormons, TCG members. They just so happen to be Tongan. +++++++++++THE TCG needs to get aggressively investigated and eradicated before it gets more out of control than it is now. If people think that is racist so be it. There are so many intersecting factors (one of which is tongans) that local law enforcement is absolutely whistling past the graveyard. If they are afraid of being tagged as racist... welll the chickens will be coming home to roost. In face they already are and I bet we have not seen the end of this.
Notatbm Posted yesterday at 07:49 PM Author Posted yesterday at 07:49 PM Very interesting commentary: He hits the nail on the head re church security.. specifically LDS Chapel security Pay attention at ~14min. I guess this guy is a racist too https://www.christianwarriortraining.com/p/lds-tongan-crip-problem-1-dead-2
Doctor Steuss Posted yesterday at 07:52 PM Posted yesterday at 07:52 PM From: What's the deal with the Tongans? To: They just so happen to be Tongan. I thought it'd take the satirical mirror longer to do its work. I didn't even have to pivot into asking "What's the deal with the Jews." (That rascally definite article sure carries a lot of snarl in it, doesn't it?)
Doctor Steuss Posted yesterday at 08:06 PM Posted yesterday at 08:06 PM (edited) 1 hour ago, Notatbm said: Very interesting commentary: He hits the nail on the head re church security.. specifically LDS Chapel security Pay attention at ~14min. I guess this guy is a racist too https://www.christianwarriortraining.com/p/lds-tongan-crip-problem-1-dead-2 Your OP contained a statement (and sentiment) that was unambiguously racist. That doesn't mean that you are racist. People who aren't racist can say and do things that are racist. People who are anti-racist can and do say racist things. I slip up just like everyone else. It's kind of part of our evolutionary hardwiring as tribal creatures. Once it's pointed out, we then get to decide if we want to abandon the racist thing we did or said, or if we want to defend it and make sure it becomes a part of who we are and no longer just something we did or said. It can be hard getting past that initial self-protective drive, and step back and be able to separate ourselves from our words and actions. The unintended intent of our words doesn't define us, but what we chose to do when we discover how our words are perceived certainly does have weight on who we are. I apologize for derailing a somber thread, about a tragic event, with word-policing. To get more towards the topic. While I don't attend church, I do occasionally get called to come help with security for events (sometimes my home ward, and sometimes my parents' ward). There is a security head for the each Stake, and each ward (that reports to the Stake security lead). While I can only definitively speak about my experience with events, I can all but guarantee that in regular meetings the Bishopric, and the ward security lead know every single member in that ward that has been tasked with concealed carry. I just assumed this had become standard practice, but this has me wondering if it's something that is only in some regions. Edited 23 hours ago by Doctor Steuss 1
Notatbm Posted yesterday at 08:09 PM Author Posted yesterday at 08:09 PM Oh boy... This video is pretty crazy. Crazier than I thought. The Tongan Crip Gang literally held a Gang Centered Funeral complete with gang colors, gang paraphernalia decorations around the casket and even a masked, color-wearing gangster giving a talk while drinking a Corona beer. The Tongan families have completely lost control if these guys are rolling lke this at church. Also see 12 min mark for this guys prophesy. This guy is a prophet: https://www.christianwarriortraining.com/p/did-the-crips-take-over-an-lds-church
Notatbm Posted 18 hours ago Author Posted 18 hours ago (edited) 7 hours ago, Doctor Steuss said: From: What's the deal with the Tongans? To: They just so happen to be Tongan. I thought it'd take the satirical mirror longer to do its work. I didn't even have to pivot into asking "What's the deal with the Jews." (That rascally definite article sure carries a lot of snarl in it, doesn't it?) I’m gonna double down in fact: What’s the deal with the Tongans??? You see that video of a literal crip gang funeral inside the lds building, speaker wearing balaclava all tatted up , wearing gang colors and drinking a corona beer…. At an lds funeral? . Everyone in there acting like it’s all normal procedure. Turns out it kinda is. The funeral was even decorated up in crip colors. that gang is totally running that ward. 100%. Bishop is a mere figurehead and prob in on the program too. No doubt. so yea this is a Tongan problem. Call it racist all you want, but they own this. Watch the video- you will see https://www.christianwarriortraining.com/p/did-the-crips-take-over-an-lds-church Edited 17 hours ago by Notatbm
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