Moses 7 - Coming to earth to fulfil the oath to Enoch

[marineland]

On 2/20/2026 at 6:44 PM, Calm said:

How did they get appointed?

@The Nehor

I saw a "school of the prophets" set forth in Doctrines and Covenants 88 but I don't
know if this is still valid in our day. How they were appointed is mentioned there too
along with one key qualification of his character.

"Behold, verily, I say unto you, this is an ensample unto you for a salutation to 
one another in the house of God, in the school of the prophets. And ye are called 
to do this by prayer and thanksgiving, as the Spirit shall give utterance in all 
your doings in the house of the Lord, in the school of the prophets, that it may
become a sanctuary, a tabernacle of the Holy Spirit to your edification. And ye 
shall not receive any among you into this school save he is clean from the blood 
of this generation; And he shall be received by the ordinance of the washing of 
feet, for unto this end was the ordinance of the washing of feet instituted. And 
again, the ordinance of washing feet is to be administered by the president, or 
presiding elder of the church. It is to be commenced with prayer; and after 
partaking of bread and wine, he is to gird himself according to the pattern given 
in the thirteenth chapter of John's testimony concerning me. Amen".

[The Nehor]

On 2/21/2026 at 11:15 AM, longview said:

Nah. Elijah passed his "mantle" (symbolic of authority direct from God) to Elisha. Clearly at God's direction and callings. To be "mouthpieces" for God to His people. To teach. To warn. To chastise.

Listen. Flying chariots buzzing around distributing cloaks is no basis for a system of prophetic authority. Supreme religious power derives from a mandate from the divine, not from some farcical mountaintop ceremony.

Elisha can’t expect to wield supreme prophetic power just ’cause some steampunk-style crop duster threw a mantle at him!

I mean, if I went around saying I was conveying the word of God just because some burning cart had lobbed a rag at me, they’d put me away!

On 2/21/2026 at 11:15 AM, longview said:

Ezekiel and Zechariah were visionary. Proclaiming the word of God in describing current circumstances and outlining future events.

Shame about how often they got it wrong. Ezekiel getting the whole Tyre thing wrong was particularly embarrassing.

On 2/21/2026 at 11:15 AM, longview said:

No. Hosea did this at the command of the Lord to symbolize Israel's abject apostasy and to emphasize His determination to "win" back His children of the Covenant. His LOVE is amazing and persistent.

Yeah, I find that metaphor more and more disturbing the more I read. When Jeremiah uses it he talks about how God will yank up his wife’s skirts to expose her to the world to make sure she is sufficiently humiliated. Then after tormenting her enough and humiliating her and breaking her he will ‘lovingly’ take her back.

God comes across as a pretty abusive husband. I also find it scary that this metaphor worked so well at the time as if yeah, this kind of breaking of a wife is something they would nod along with. I am even more worried that some think it is an appropriate metaphor for God’s love now.

On 2/21/2026 at 11:15 AM, longview said:

FALSE. They clearly understood God's persistent warnings and relayed God's SAVING commands to pull His people out of danger and out of darkness.

And gloat over the prophesied destruction of everyone else of course. Don’t forget. God was perfectly willing to torture his bride. But her false lovers of all those other nations. Oh, God is gonna make sure they learn how the alpha male is in this neighborhood. He is gonna punish everyone who crossed him. EVERYONE is gonna get it in His merciful loving kindness of course.

On 2/21/2026 at 11:15 AM, longview said:

How typical of you to slime the works of God in bringing about the purpose of the Plan of Happiness. Earth being our "temporary home".

To quote Peter Venkman:

“He slimed me.”

”That’s great! Actual physical contact! Can you move?”

On 2/21/2026 at 11:15 AM, longview said:

Institution? Like the Sanhedrin? No, people simply needed to stay faithful to the word of God and NOT be like Eli and his two sons that corrupted the office of priests at the Tabernacle.

No, the prophets usually needed an institution to support them which was the monarchy or the local government or whatever. Once the Kingdom of Judah fell prophets and prophecy began to taper off. There were still some but within a few centuries it stopped.

On 2/21/2026 at 11:15 AM, longview said:

Apostasy and priestcraft is what caused the destruction of the people. NOT because of diminishing support of "government" but due to increasing wickedness at every level.

There wasn’t “diminishing” support from government. The government was just gone. The monarchy fell when Babylon moved in. Kaput. Gone. Vanished. Buh-bye.

If you are trying to pull in one of your political hobbyhorses in to beat to death please don’t.

Also the reported wickedness was amongst the elite. The subsistence farmers that made up about 85% of the populace didn’t have much of a chance to do any of the crimes or sins that the prophets were constantly lamenting about.

[Calm]

4 hours ago, marineland said:

@The Nehor

I saw a "school of the prophets" set forth in Doctrines and Covenants 88 but I don't
know if this is still valid in our day. How they were appointed is mentioned there too
along with one key qualification of his character.

"Behold, verily, I say unto you, this is an ensample unto you for a salutation to 
one another in the house of God, in the school of the prophets. And ye are called 
to do this by prayer and thanksgiving, as the Spirit shall give utterance in all 
your doings in the house of the Lord, in the school of the prophets, that it may
become a sanctuary, a tabernacle of the Holy Spirit to your edification. And ye 
shall not receive any among you into this school save he is clean from the blood 
of this generation; And he shall be received by the ordinance of the washing of 
feet, for unto this end was the ordinance of the washing of feet instituted. And 
again, the ordinance of washing feet is to be administered by the president, or 
presiding elder of the church. It is to be commenced with prayer; and after 
partaking of bread and wine, he is to gird himself according to the pattern given 
in the thirteenth chapter of John's testimony concerning me. Amen".

Are you suggesting this could be the way it was done during biblical times?  Because I was specifically asking about how a person became known as a prophet and got on the government’s support list back then.
 

Nehor:

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Prophets were usually supported by the state and were usually not liked. Prophets tended to have bad news

Easy to see someone like Balaam getting a secure position since he was in the habit of telling the king what the king wanted to hear and cursing those he wanted cursed, but prophets out there saying the end was coming, calling people to repentance, destabilizing the community, etc…seems less likely the Israelite or Jewish government would want to support them….unless maybe they were related to someone who was important or it was a cultural thing the government did to fulfill expected duties and it would be bad PR not to do it…but still I would be interested how one might get picked up to be supported and another not.  Or maybe it was more along the lines of helping out the poor…minimal expenditure, where the support wasn’t enough that most people would want to live the prophet lifestyle to qualify for the pittance?  So one just joins the queue when the alms are handed out dressed and acting like a prophet?  Probably small enough community they would know if the person actually lived like prophets were expected to…

” the reported wickedness was amongst the elite. The subsistence farmers that made up about 85% of the populace didn’t have much of a chance to do any of the crimes or sins that the prophets were constantly lamenting about.”

It’s an odd mentality that pays for someone to curse at you for living the wicked life you choose to lead…(elite families likely would be part of the ruling administration, at least have a family member or two involved surely?)

Edited February 22 by Calm

[marineland]

On 2/22/2026 at 6:03 PM, Calm said:

Are you suggesting this could be the way it was done during biblical times?  Because I was specifically asking about how a person became known as a prophet and got on the government’s support list back then.

No, that's not what I was suggesting, since we don't have biblical evidence to 
support that. I was actually asking whether, in your church, accepting men ("clean 
from the blood of this generation," whatever that means) into the school of the 
prophets is still practiced through the ordinance of foot washing?

[The Nehor]

On 2/22/2026 at 5:03 PM, Calm said:

Nehor:

Easy to see someone like Balaam getting a secure position since he was in the habit of telling the king what the king wanted to hear and cursing those he wanted cursed, but prophets out there saying the end was coming, calling people to repentance, destabilizing the community, etc…seems less likely the Israelite or Jewish government would want to support them….unless maybe they were related to someone who was important or it was a cultural thing the government did to fulfill expected duties and it would be bad PR not to do it…but still I would be interested how one might get picked up to be supported and another not.  Or maybe it was more along the lines of helping out the poor…minimal expenditure, where the support wasn’t enough that most people would want to live the prophet lifestyle to qualify for the pittance?  So one just joins the queue when the alms are handed out dressed and acting like a prophet?  Probably small enough community they would know if the person actually lived like prophets were expected to…

” the reported wickedness was amongst the elite. The subsistence farmers that made up about 85% of the populace didn’t have much of a chance to do any of the crimes or sins that the prophets were constantly lamenting about.”

It’s an odd mentality that pays for someone to curse at you for living the wicked life you choose to lead…(elite families likely would be part of the ruling administration, at least have a family member or two involved surely?)

There is a fragmentary inscription called the Deir Alla inscription that tells the story of Balaam the son of Beor from the 9th century BCE.The inscription was found in pieces but parts of it were reconstructed. In it Balaam is a seer of the god (they use the term eloiheim) and predicts the fate of nations but serves a bunch of deities including El who was the head of the pantheon in the area at the time. El and YHWH combined into one deity later on and became the deity Jews worship. The most likely explanation is that a story about Balaam was melded into the texts that became the Torah. They turn him into a kind of anti-Moses who worships YHWH and uses divination and prophecy and has these gifts despite being a greedy jerk. Kind of an equivalent of Simon Magus being a kind of anti-Peter.