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Yes. I believe we’ll reign but I don’t believe we’ll become Gods, have spirit children, and then our spirit children will worship some other God instead of the Father and God who begot them.

Is exaltation (“becoming a God”) a more accurate description than “becoming like God?”

There’s a Gospel Topic essay called “Becoming Like God”. “Thus, those who become like God and enter into a fulness of His glory are described as people who have been “made perfect through Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, who wrought out this perfect atonement through the shedding of his own blood”. Why wouldn’t the church make itself clearer by just specifying its plain meaning - “become Gods” instead of “becoming Godlike”? Angels and humans are like God but they are not God.

For chapter 3, I will add the verse before and after what you quoted: "Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me. To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne. He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches". This is applicable for all who overcome, who endure to the end. Christ is both God and man. This overcoming is related to his man-part. He did not have to overcome to become a God. The verses you quoted in chapter 2 applies to the first resurrection, described in chapter 20. “And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years”. There is a contrast between those who overcome and those who don’t in Revelation 21. “He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death”.

I would define Him as such: “God is a personal, supernatural being who created the universes and rules over them, being the source of life, purpose, and moral truth.” There is only one. I don’t believe there are other Gods worshipped by others somewhere else.

How do you define what a God is?

Are women elders?

Can you be more specific.

There are according to Abraham 3:18-21 but they are not Gods.

Female elders who die in this dispensation?

Because God always was God.

I don’t know what these theories say, but I believe creation is larger than what scientists can see with the telescope. We may be able to go there and live some day. Grammar error. I meant I don’t believe in uncreated, eternal intelligences, save God himself.

According to verse 51 all those in paradise were resurrected, entered their Father’s kingdom, and became exalted. They did not return back to the spirit world. Verse 57 following 51 does not mean those male elders in the latter were resurrected too.

Where does verse 57 indicate the elders are resurrected?

A. The universe observed from Earth is not as extensive as science can observe. It is not a light show. Maybe some day they will be inhabited by us. B. You are correct. I do not believe humans created as eternal uncreated intelligences (spirits). For souls, I would point you to a passage in Genesis. “And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul”. Somehow God enables a living soul at conception. C. I think all people have some knowledge of God through creation and conscience, which holds them accountable, even if they haven’t heard the gospel (Romans 1:19-20; 2:14–16).

Verse 39 is the ages up to the coming of Christ. The “and so on” is “and gave them power to come forth, after his resurrection from the dead, to enter into his Father’s kingdom, there to be crowned with immortality and eternal life”. The “when” coincides with his resurrection, shown in verse 15-17. “I beheld that they were filled with joy and gladness, and were rejoicing together because the day of their deliverance was at hand. They were assembled awaiting the advent of the Son of God into the spirit world, to declare their redemption from the bands of death. Their sleeping dust was to be restored unto its perfect frame, bone to his bone, and the sinews and the flesh upon them, the spirit and the body to be united never again to be divided, that they might receive a fulness of joy”. Receiving a fulness of joy is eternal life (exaltation). Nothing in verse 57 indicates male elders are resurrected and exit the spirit world of the dead.

Verse 39 is speaking of the past tense, “who had lived through the ages”. According to verse 51, they were resurrected to immortality and eternal life after Christ’s resurrection and had already entered the Father’s kingdom.

@ZealouslyStriving It would have been clearer if it said saints instead of elders.

Doctrine and Covenants 138:57 states “I beheld that the faithful elders of this dispensation, when they depart from mortal life, continue their labors in the preaching of the gospel of repentance and redemption, through the sacrifice of the Only Begotten Son of God, among those who are in darkness and under the bondage of sin in the great world of the spirits of the dead.” Is there a reason why faithful LDS women who have died don’t participate in this work? I noticed earlier that Eve and all her faithful daughters who had passed on were commissioned to participate in that work for a brief time before being raised to Heavenly Father’s kingdom to receive immortality and eternal life.

I saw this YT video by Nemo the Mormon. It’s more “I know” than “I believe”.

Why do you exclude the two lower kingdoms of the celestial glory?

Which kingdom do the presence of the Father and Jesus reside?

“In the beginning was the gospel preached through the Son. And the gospel was the word, and the word was with the Son, and the Son was with God, and the Son was of God” (JST) Comparing this with the KJV: “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God”. Is the phrase “the Son was of God” intended to mean something different than Jesus is God? Was Joseph Smith trying to clarify what he thought was a mistranslation or a translation that was lacking?

When I think of relativity in a family sense, you could say your brothers and sisters on other inhabited worlds are your relatives (Doctrine and Covenants 76:24). It must of been of some need of God to show a limited vision of them to Moses (1:33-35).

By same kind of being, do you mean Paul was telling the Athenians they were both Gods and humans?