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I don’t know what these theories say, but I believe creation is larger than what scientists can see with the telescope. We may be able to go there and live some day. Grammar error. I meant I don’t believe in uncreated, eternal intelligences, save God himself.

According to verse 51 all those in paradise were resurrected, entered their Father’s kingdom, and became exalted. They did not return back to the spirit world. Verse 57 following 51 does not mean those male elders in the latter were resurrected too.

Where does verse 57 indicate the elders are resurrected?

A. The universe observed from Earth is not as extensive as science can observe. It is not a light show. Maybe some day they will be inhabited by us. B. You are correct. I do not believe humans created as eternal uncreated intelligences (spirits). For souls, I would point you to a passage in Genesis. “And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul”. Somehow God enables a living soul at conception. C. I think all people have some knowledge of God through creation and conscience, which holds them accountable, even if they haven’t heard the gospel (Romans 1:19-20; 2:14–16).

Verse 39 is the ages up to the coming of Christ. The “and so on” is “and gave them power to come forth, after his resurrection from the dead, to enter into his Father’s kingdom, there to be crowned with immortality and eternal life”. The “when” coincides with his resurrection, shown in verse 15-17. “I beheld that they were filled with joy and gladness, and were rejoicing together because the day of their deliverance was at hand. They were assembled awaiting the advent of the Son of God into the spirit world, to declare their redemption from the bands of death. Their sleeping dust was to be restored unto its perfect frame, bone to his bone, and the sinews and the flesh upon them, the spirit and the body to be united never again to be divided, that they might receive a fulness of joy”. Receiving a fulness of joy is eternal life (exaltation). Nothing in verse 57 indicates male elders are resurrected and exit the spirit world of the dead.

Verse 39 is speaking of the past tense, “who had lived through the ages”. According to verse 51, they were resurrected to immortality and eternal life after Christ’s resurrection and had already entered the Father’s kingdom.

@ZealouslyStriving It would have been clearer if it said saints instead of elders.

Doctrine and Covenants 138:57 states “I beheld that the faithful elders of this dispensation, when they depart from mortal life, continue their labors in the preaching of the gospel of repentance and redemption, through the sacrifice of the Only Begotten Son of God, among those who are in darkness and under the bondage of sin in the great world of the spirits of the dead.” Is there a reason why faithful LDS women who have died don’t participate in this work? I noticed earlier that Eve and all her faithful daughters who had passed on were commissioned to participate in that work for a brief time before being raised to Heavenly Father’s kingdom to receive immortality and eternal life.

I saw this YT video by Nemo the Mormon. It’s more “I know” than “I believe”.

Why do you exclude the two lower kingdoms of the celestial glory?

Which kingdom do the presence of the Father and Jesus reside?

“In the beginning was the gospel preached through the Son. And the gospel was the word, and the word was with the Son, and the Son was with God, and the Son was of God” (JST) Comparing this with the KJV: “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God”. Is the phrase “the Son was of God” intended to mean something different than Jesus is God? Was Joseph Smith trying to clarify what he thought was a mistranslation or a translation that was lacking?

My questions are drawn from what I read in the church’s gospel topics. When 1/3 of Heavenly Father’s spirit children followed Satan and 2/3 followed Jesus Christ, would this mean that Heavenly Father ceased to have any future spirit children after the war in heaven? Or did all the spirit children born after the war still need to grow up to maturity and make a choice to keep the 1/3 and 2/3 ratios intact? Prior to this war, were all the spirit children of heavenly parents of sufficient age to make an informed choice or were they like those of Nineveh who could not discern between their right and left hands?