GoCeltics
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Won’t Latter-day Saints now living in Salt Lake City and other places in the United States “gather their riches” so they can “purchase an inheritance” in Missouri and assist in building the New Jerusalem in order to seek safety and refuge from war and other calamities leading up to the Second Coming as Doctrine and Covenants 45:65-69 teaches?
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Why not simply say “restoration of the Twelve Tribes” then?
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Did the tribe of Ephraim and Judah always remain in the southern part throughout history?
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How did you recognize the entities of the other two tribes? When did the inclusion of the Ten Tribes in the patriarchal blessings begin?
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Not all Judah and Benjamin remained in the land through their course of history though, when Babylon down to Rome and the Ottoman Empire controlled that area. One could consider this a form of being scattered too. Was the land of the United States promised to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob? If yes, where? What is the difference in meaning between AOF 10 saying, "We believe in the restoration of the Twelve Tribes" as opposed to "the restoration of the Ten Tribes"?
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Could someone explain this article of faith: “We believe in the literal gathering of Israel and in the restoration of the Ten Tribes; that Zion (the New Jerusalem) will be built upon the American continent; that Christ will reign personally upon the earth; and, that the earth will be renewed and receive its paradisiacal glory”. Which two tribes are excluded from this restoration belief? Where is the restoration to? Doctrine and Covenants 57:1-3 says “Hearken, O ye elders of my church, saith the Lord your God, who have assembled yourselves together according to my commandments, in this land, which is the land of Missouri, which is the land which I have appointed and consecrated for the gathering of the saints. Wherefore, this is the land of promise, and the place for the city of Zion”. Is Missouri the appointed place for the gathering of all Latter-day Saints even if they are not literal descendants of Jacob? This teaching is attributed to Brigham Young: “By and by the Jews will be gathered to the land of their fathers, and the ten tribes, who wandered into the north, will be gathered home, and the blood of Ephraim, the second son of Joseph, who was sold into Egypt, which is to be found in every kingdom and nation under heaven, will be gathered from among the Gentiles, and the Gentiles who will receive and adhere to the principles of the Gospel will be adopted and initiated into the family of Father Abraham, and Jesus will reign over his own and Satan will reign over his own. This will be the result” (Journal of Discourses, General Instructions to Missionaries Going Abroad). Where is "home" for the ten tribes?
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What do you mean?
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Godhood is the status of someone who becomes a God (exaltation). I see no difference between Godhood and godhood.
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While I believe Christ will give us authority to rule, that doesn’t mean we need to become Gods when we are sitting on thrones. The twenty four elders have crowns of gold upon their heads but Godhood is not applicable there either. The co-heirs you mention are the sons of God (Romans 8:14-17). God is on His throne. Other kings and priests do not sit on His throne.
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Yes. They were united in marriage by God. But in the resurrection I don’t believe we’ll marry or be given in marriage. I believe Genesis 1:28 is only for our time on our earth.
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I think exaltation means Godhood.
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We know that one day Christ will return to earth physically to rule over the nations. He does not set aside his resurrected form.
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@calm Do you believe this applies to Heavenly Father too?
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Does that require us to become Gods first? I'm not sure what the status of nations will be after all the tribulation and destruction during the events surrounding the return of Christ and the final battle with the beast, false prophet, and their armies. Christ would ultimately rule when all would be subjected to him. This rule was not his in his human form.
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I don’t know all that it entails but 1 Corinthians 6:1-3 gives us a little picture. In some ways, it will be the ultimate fulfillment of Genesis 1:26-28. We see more in Revelation 2:26-27.
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Yes. I believe we’ll reign but I don’t believe we’ll become Gods, have spirit children, and then our spirit children will worship some other God instead of the Father and God who begot them.
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Is exaltation (“becoming a God”) a more accurate description than “becoming like God?”
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There’s a Gospel Topic essay called “Becoming Like God”. “Thus, those who become like God and enter into a fulness of His glory are described as people who have been “made perfect through Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, who wrought out this perfect atonement through the shedding of his own blood”. Why wouldn’t the church make itself clearer by just specifying its plain meaning - “become Gods” instead of “becoming Godlike”? Angels and humans are like God but they are not God.
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For chapter 3, I will add the verse before and after what you quoted: "Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me. To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne. He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches". This is applicable for all who overcome, who endure to the end. Christ is both God and man. This overcoming is related to his man-part. He did not have to overcome to become a God. The verses you quoted in chapter 2 applies to the first resurrection, described in chapter 20. “And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years”. There is a contrast between those who overcome and those who don’t in Revelation 21. “He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death”.
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I would define Him as such: “God is a personal, supernatural being who created the universes and rules over them, being the source of life, purpose, and moral truth.” There is only one. I don’t believe there are other Gods worshipped by others somewhere else.
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How do you define what a God is?
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Can you be more specific.
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There are according to Abraham 3:18-21 but they are not Gods.
