cujo22

That was fun. Now I need a class on how to interpret the breakdown.

AI has really sped up the time I spend keeping up with these conversations. For some reason the AI doesn't interest me, so I can skip past those long portions of AI. Hopefully I'm not missing much.

I'm not one of the debaters, but the point from my perspective is that a reasonable person could take in all the evidence and reasonably decide to accept the story of the coming forth of the Book of Mormon as Joseph told it. Likewise, a reasonable person could take in all the evidence and reasonably decide to reject/revise the story of the coming forth of the Book of Mormon as Joseph told it.

My memory might be off, but I think he did spend time with plates early in the process in early translation attempts or early in the process.

I just loved this ending quote from the article. Says a lot about this person that I hadn't heard of previously. And I guess I hadn't realized that I can relate somewhat: It's true. I'm moved by the lives of people around me and in the family histories I've read. I love sacrament meeting when I hear from beloved neighbors and ward-friends and about their triumphs and struggles and what they think about things. Years ago, Parshall imagined herself in heaven with such members. “I am moved by their lives far more easily than I am moved by holy scripture, and I am motivated more to pattern my life after theirs than I am after the stories of Israelites and Nephites,” she said in her 2011 speech. “Where those good people of the past — those in my own lineage, and those in my Mormon heritage — may be is where I want to spend eternity.”

I was excited to read your explanation cuz the science is so interesting, but I think ChatGPT didn't do it justice, or maybe I just need to read those books. From the ChatGPT summary, the religious argument seems to be... If spirits exist, then we should be able to do stuff to the brain or other parts of the body (eyes was mentioned somewhere) and it wouldn't have any impact. Is that the argument that is proven false with this science? That if spirits exist then we wouldn't need eyes to see? Perhaps some people do believe that argument. ?? Not me. I don't see how any of this has any bearing on whether spirits exist.