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Everything posted by OGHoosier

  1. Agreed. The old Masonic legends about the rites descending directly from the Temple of Solomon have been generally discredited, but for my part I see a lot of similarities between old early-AD gnostic rituals and Masonry. For me it's hard to imagine that there isn't some form of connection, though I don't have credible theories as to its provenance.
  2. I've strongly considered joining the Masonic fraternity - at least ever since I watched National Treasure as a elementary school kid lol. That was even before I knew how significant Masonry was to my own faith and heritage. Straight out of RPGs. What other items should I equip to max out my buffs when talking with you? I think my Persuasion stat isn't too low but the items can always help 😜 @Calm When I was serving a couple years ago, a Mason ring would certainly not have been allowed. However, the handbook has been updated since then and I haven't kept up to speed with it. It wo
  3. Oh absolutely, Western aesthetics were carried in the womb of the cathedrals for centuries. They were far and away the most beautiful buildings in Europe for ages, particularly since even the palaces of nobility and royalty were built with practical defense in mind. Churches were the only buildings built explicitly to be beautiful, to be the Bibles of the poor, and we owe a great deal of our knowledge of architecture and engineering to the practice of cathedral construction.
  4. Not gonna lie, it was actually going to Rome that helped me recognize this. I've grown up as an American low-churcher, fully buying into the whole "4-bare-walls-and-a-sermon" shtick which we have in our cookie-cutter meetinghouses. I fully bought into the narrative that the Catholic church had done wrong in spending so much money on churches. Ironically enough I didn't have the same response to Gilded Age robber baron mansions, with which I saw nothing wrong as a teenager. I guess that goes to show how much I had bought into that star-spangled American paradigm of Protestant-flavored capitalis
  5. What can I say, I enjoy the classics Careful though, I'm told some of those classical writers can be a bit pedantic. A greater crime against language or the mind can hardly be imagined.
  6. The appellation "pedantic" means nothing to me. My argument is that the decline of the use of the word "Mormon" after President Nelson's talk does not mean that the use of the word is itself a victory for Satan, which you directly used as a point of ridicule. Then again, I don't think it would it matter if it did.
  7. I'm generally fond of Wittgenstein, the curt dismissal of "semantics" won't work on me. President Nelson understands that a multitude of small actions constitute a larger movement, and thus deemphasizing the name "Mormon" advances the general cause to which we ought to be dedicated. You've decided to make a reductio ad absurdum out of it, which requires you to connect two principles more closely together than they are for the punch line to hit home. @Scott Lloyd's point stands.
  8. I'm not going to discuss the relative merits or demerits of a Universal Basic Income because I think that strays too far towards politics for Nemesis' liking. For me, I've lived a happy middle class lifestyle. I've only ever envied the wealthy in one respect...their houses. I am a lover of beautiful architecture. Whether it is Roman cathedrals or stately halls of government, business, or private residence, I've found that I'm very passionate about the construction and preservation of beautiful buildings. One of my favorite places to visit in the US is Newport, Rhode Island. I exult in to
  9. That's an equivocation. You're referring to the praxis of not referring to ourselves as Mormon and using that praxis as proof that "referring to ourselves as Mormon" is the same thing as "a victory for Satan." Those things aren't equivalent. @Scott Lloyd's point stands.
  10. And my expectation is that you will see exactly whatever you expect to see in this. It seems clear that your judgement is already made.
  11. Sure you can. Once a conspiracy has been exposed, it ceases to be a conspiracy theory and is just a conspiracy. Honestly, believers in plain reality can't really say that either. "The President of the United States is having operatives burgle the HQ of his political rivals" sounds like a super whacky conspiracy theory...until Watergate.
  12. If you don't know how BYUtv thinks a gay character should be portrayed, how can you already be upset by it? And yet you did say:
  13. Do you know how BYUtv thinks a gay person should be portrayed? I was under the impression that they haven't tried yet.
  14. I don't intend to make any grandiose statements as this is definitely beyond my expertise, but the following New York Times article just came up and I thought it would be interesting to participants in this discussion. Make of it what you will. A Tiny Particle’s Wobble Could Upend the Known Laws of Physics: Experiments with particles known as muons suggest that there are forms of matter and energy vital to the nature and evolution of the cosmos that are not yet known to science.
  15. Man, I've gotta get me some of that. In all seriousness, I'm not sure what to say about the validity of the dream...vision...thing. Just keep on keeping on and doing the right thing, I guess.
  16. If the message was clear and the meaning accessible to the intended audience, then whence cometh confusion in the churches? Yet the scriptures adamantly attest the existence of such. The human element is unavoidable and it is not merely invoked in matters of style. I'm sorry, but I do not see the simplicity you describe, and it is not for lack of desire to do so. What is plain to one man is viewed through a glass darkly by another. God does the best He can with all of us but that is a reality He either cannot or will not change.
  17. There was a general run on the bank. I remember that the Joseph Smith Papers videos talked about a prominent local businessman, Grandison Newell, conspiring to collect Safety Society notes and engineer an artificial run on the bank as well. To hear the historians in those videos tell it, Grandison Newell was basically Mr. Potter from It's a Wonderful Life. We have it on record that Newell pressed lawsuits to get the Society shut down. He also charged Joseph Smith with hiring men to assassinate him, which charges were dropped two months after they were brought. Let's just say Joseph Smith and t
  18. You've given me a fair amount to think about. I am considering your distinction between revelation and inspiration; I had not considered such a conceptual schema before, considering revelation and inspiration to be different things. I will have to ponder and study on this, thank you. However, in terms of critique, the scriptures you cite are ambiguous. How they are interpreted depends on whether or not you view the Lord as direct or a delegator, and I would argue that if we have a distinction between inspiration and revelation then He is definitely a delegator. All of these scriptures u
  19. From where I sit, it appears that it is. Here's another paper: Homo Heuristicus: Why Biased Minds Make Better Inferences. It does not directly address confirmation bias, but it does address the general argument that the use of heuristics leads human beings to irrationality. Notably, it defines rational behavior as "leading to better inferences" as opposed to adhering to abstract axioms of rationality and logical probability. More on that here: Axiomatic rationality and ecological rationality. In fact, in many cases simpler heuristics are not only more economical but also more accurate than mo
  20. Respectfully, I would like to submit that the settled status of "predictable human irrationality" differs from field to field. Behavioral economics has wholeheartedly adopted the paradigm. In general psychology, however, the dispute is a bit more lively. There have been trenchant critiques written of the "heuristics and biases" paradigm pioneered by Kahneman and Tversky, which posits that the human mind is "irrational in predictable ways." Here's an article by Gerd Gigerenzer, widely considered to be the most prominent critic of Kahneman and Tversky, discussing the variance in understanding b
  21. That is a good question, I suppose I don't know the extent of the studies on it. And what with the replication crisis in psychology, it may be that we aren't even dealing with anything real here. Furthermore I don't know if the effect implies that people come to actually hold these false beliefs over time, or if they simply seem more plausible. The biases and heuristics literature is rather fraught at the moment, and one must be judicious in the conclusions one draws from it.
  22. It is likely that it will be used as such. From many points of view, President Nelson's talk might seem superficial. It could be interpreted as "just ignore your doubts" or "just stop asking questions." In a very real sense, however, the mindset which we take into a question and the company with which we approach it can powerfully influence our ultimate conclusion. We are not truth-finding tabula rasas, and as @Kevin Christensen has pointed out at length, our conclusions are not born as the pure offspring of truth in our heads. Many factors condition us in our conclusions. Spencer Marsh
  23. Likewise. I apologize if I have come across as curt or severe. My internal monologue is like that and, though I try to keep it from bleeding into what I actually say, sometimes I'm not as good at tempering my words.
  24. What is the authority of personal conscience but the authority of personal preference, if not reinforced by some external authority? Is the authority of personal preference absolute? If not, then are we truly justified in relying on our personal consciences to pass judgement upon others? I'll lighten up on the Socratic dialectic and cut to the point. "The authority of personal opinion is binding on no one but myself" is a diversion, not an answer. Do you believe that your personal preferences are keyed to something actually true? If not, is somebody who violates them ac
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