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Does that mean then the Second Coming is particular to our earth only?

Just wondering. I see no reason for weeping for the wicked antediluvians if they apparently get a second chance.

About these two verses in Moses 7. "And thou hast taken Zion to thine own bosom, from all thy creations, from all eternity to all eternity" (v. 31). "And the Lord said unto Enoch: Then shalt thou and all thy city meet them there, and we will receive them into our bosom, and they shall see us; and we will fall upon their necks, and they shall fall upon our necks, and we will kiss each other" (v. 63). Does this happen before or after the Second Coming? Will all the worlds created by God have their own versions of the city of Enoch coming down from heaven and visiting all their respective New Jerusalems created on their own versions of Americas on their own worlds?

@ZealouslyStriving Thank you for clearing that up teddyaware. But Satan is also the "father" of all the fallen angels. Regardless of which group you refer to, are you weeping over them too?

Are you weeping over Satan and the fallen angels?

If everyone did that, there wouldn't be a need to post questions in a forum 🙂 Why does Alma teach, in the verses I provided, that mortality is the only time to prepare to meet God? Another option would be that those who rejected the gospel in mortality would know of its surety in the spirit world or in the resurrection. I wouldn't put much credence for #2. The parable of the rich man and Lazarus gives some insight. "Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father’s house: For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment. Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them. And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent. And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead". There is no reason to preach the gospel to the living when they will have it re-taught to them in the spirit world and then have the ability to make a more well-informed choice as to if they will believe it or not. How does Doctrine and Covenants 138:32 relate to the wicked in Noah's day that Christ preached to in 1 Peter 3:18-20?

Are those who rejected the prophets during their probationary period added to the sons of perdition as per Alma 12:24; 42:4,10, 13; 2 Nephi 2:21?

Based on what you said earlier on August 21 (Verse 12 of of Doctrine and Covenants Section 138 informs us that only those spirits who had proven themselves worthy to receive a glorious resurrection into the fullness of celestial glory were permitted to be gathered together “IN ONE PLACE,” where they would be ministered to personally by the Savior after his death on the cross), this means Christ only visited those who would be exalted to godhood, not to those who would inherit a telestial or terrestrial glory.

If Jesus only visited those who would obtain the fullness of celestial glory then verses 20-22 apply to everyone else in the spirit world. "But unto the wicked he did not go, and among the ungodly and the unrepentant who had defiled themselves while in the flesh, his voice was not raised; Neither did the rebellious who rejected the testimonies and the warnings of the ancient prophets behold his presence, nor look upon his face. Where these were, darkness reigned, but among the righteous there was peace". There is peace only for the elite as you labelled them and the others are in darkness.

What is that particular location referred to as?

I don' see any exclusions.

After everything mentioned in verses 7-50, I had questions about #51. "These the Lord taught, and gave them power to come forth, after his resurrection from the dead, to enter into his Father's kingdom, there to be crowned with immortality and eternal life". Why are all Old and New Testament saints at the time of Christ's ministry among them raised to the highest division of the Celestial Kingdom and not to other lower parts of the Celestial Kingdom or to the Terrestrial Kingdom? After the resurrection, why do they need to enter the Father's kingdom before being crowned with immortality? Is this more of a ceremonial crowning than their bodies actually being changed to immortality?

I made a comment to @longview a few days ago but the thread was closed to further replies so a followup could not be posted - so I create a new topic to continue that discussion. On 01/07/2025, you said Regarding your reason #3 - if God had imposed the punishment too soon then NOT all the earths would have been influenced into making the FALL" Earlier you said, "Lucifer is stunned and rages at God saying: "Why am I being punished for doing the same things as on other worlds?" Those supposed words of Lucifer implies he had already initiated the Fall on all the other worlds and "our Earth" is possibly the last in the series. Or that disobedience on all these other worlds were punished after the fact (years, decades, or centuries later) and then those Adams and Eves would have need to be reminded of why they were waiting all this time for being expelled from their Gardens. The Fall on earth #1 did not influence the Fall on earth #2 and so forth. The idea that Lucifer being punished on "our Earth" would not have caused him to also lead the respective Adams and Eves on all the earths created before and after "our Earth" is not in line with his character. It would also lead one to believe Adam and Eve being led to eat from the forbidden tree on "our Earth" is a punishment for Adam and Eve (Alma 42) whereas the same actions on all the other earths (before "our Earth") were not but the earths after "our Earth" were. Maybe all these other worlds have their own version of the second article of faith: "We believe that men will be punished for their own sins, and not for Adam’s transgression". Regarding your reason #4 - because ALL of the earths made the critical step for the FALL, then could God finally impose the punishment on Lucifer. There is nothing in scripture to indicate the one and only punishment for Lucifer was for his causing the Fall on "our Earth". Somewhere I read that LDS prophets and apostles have also spoken about other worlds created by Heavenly Father. President Brigham Young and Elder Neal A. Maxwell discussed the vastness of God's creations, including worlds that have fulfilled their purpose and entered into their celestial state. So here we have the potential for other earths before "our Earth" who have already entered their celestial state even before Lucifer is punished on "our Earth". Their entering a celestial state before "our Earth" is not possible because according to your reason #3, God had not yet imposed the punishment on them (mortality) but they had still been influenced into making the Fall without being influenced by all the other earths.