marineland

What I meant was what evil did intelligences choose or act upon?

I think you said these intelligences had agency. How did they act regarding good and evil before becoming spirit children?

I don't see God forced him (programed him) to rebel.

Parents know their children will suffer, maybe even die from severe pain or be killed, and yet they give birth to them. That does not mean the parents are to blame.

"I think therefore I am". But what evil could these intelligences act upon?

Free will for his creations.

So intelligences, before becoming spirit children, already had agency to choose between good and evil?

I think God did not create evil. Satan became evil in his rebellion.

About this verse in Moses 7. "The Lord said unto Enoch: Behold these thy brethren; they are the workmanship of mine own hands, and I gave unto them their knowledge, in the day I created them; and in the Garden of Eden, gave I unto man his agency". What knowledge is given to Enoch's brethren and when were they created? Did spirits in a pre-mortal life have agency too?

I made a comment to @longview a few days ago but the thread was closed to further replies so a followup could not be posted - so I create a new topic to continue that discussion. On 01/07/2025, you said Regarding your reason #3 - if God had imposed the punishment too soon then NOT all the earths would have been influenced into making the FALL" Earlier you said, "Lucifer is stunned and rages at God saying: "Why am I being punished for doing the same things as on other worlds?" Those supposed words of Lucifer implies he had already initiated the Fall on all the other worlds and "our Earth" is possibly the last in the series. Or that disobedience on all these other worlds were punished after the fact (years, decades, or centuries later) and then those Adams and Eves would have need to be reminded of why they were waiting all this time for being expelled from their Gardens. The Fall on earth #1 did not influence the Fall on earth #2 and so forth. The idea that Lucifer being punished on "our Earth" would not have caused him to also lead the respective Adams and Eves on all the earths created before and after "our Earth" is not in line with his character. It would also lead one to believe Adam and Eve being led to eat from the forbidden tree on "our Earth" is a punishment for Adam and Eve (Alma 42) whereas the same actions on all the other earths (before "our Earth") were not but the earths after "our Earth" were. Maybe all these other worlds have their own version of the second article of faith: "We believe that men will be punished for their own sins, and not for Adam’s transgression". Regarding your reason #4 - because ALL of the earths made the critical step for the FALL, then could God finally impose the punishment on Lucifer. There is nothing in scripture to indicate the one and only punishment for Lucifer was for his causing the Fall on "our Earth". Somewhere I read that LDS prophets and apostles have also spoken about other worlds created by Heavenly Father. President Brigham Young and Elder Neal A. Maxwell discussed the vastness of God's creations, including worlds that have fulfilled their purpose and entered into their celestial state. So here we have the potential for other earths before "our Earth" who have already entered their celestial state even before Lucifer is punished on "our Earth". Their entering a celestial state before "our Earth" is not possible because according to your reason #3, God had not yet imposed the punishment on them (mortality) but they had still been influenced into making the Fall without being influenced by all the other earths.