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Church lowers missionary age for women to 18
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It was lowered for women from 21 to 19 back in 2012 https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.org/article/church-lowers-age-requirement-for-missionary-service -
If it's been fully vetted, why does the seminary manual still teach black skin upon the Lamanites was the sign or mark of the curse? "Make sure students understand that the curse mentioned in this chapter was separation from God. The changing of the Lamanites’ skin was only a mark or sign of the curse". (Book of Mormon Seminary Teacher Manual, 2017). Its in the latest version too. "The Lamanites remained in the land and rebelled against the Lord. They “were cut off from his presence” (2 Nephi 5:20). The curse mentioned in this chapter was separation from God (see 2 Nephi 5:20–24). The changing of the Lamanites’ skin was a mark or sign of the curse. The nature of this mark is not fully understood. The mark initially distinguished the Lamanites from the Nephites. Later, as both the Nephites and Lamanites each went through periods of wickedness and righteousness, the mark became irrelevant as an indicator of the Lamanites’ standing before God". (Book of Mormon Seminary Teacher Manual, 2024).
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One could make the same claim for the church in the past - which went through its own correlation process in publications and General Conference talks.
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Moses 7:32 - knowledge in their day of creation
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Even when you existed as an eternal, uncreated intelligence? -
"Now hear it, O inhabitants of the earth, Jew and Gentile, Saint and sinner! When our father Adam came into the garden of Eden, he came into it with a celestial body, and brought Eve, one of his wives, with him. He helped to make and organize this world. He is Michael, the Archangel, the Ancient of Days! about whom holy men have written and spoken—He is our Father and our God, and the only God with whom we have to do". https://journalofdiscourses.com/1/8
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Moses 7:32 - knowledge in their day of creation
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I equate Satan's desire to become powerful like God meant his desire for Godhood. From this LDS manual, "Satan because he sought to exalt himself above God and rule over Heavenly Father’s other children (see Isaiah 14:12–20; see also D&C 29:36; 76:25–28; Moses 4:1–4)". This rule would include worship, some examples being Jesus and Moses (Matthew 4:9, Moses 1:12). Moses 4:1 indicates Satan wanted the honor belonging to Heavenly Father whereas verse 3 depicts Heavenly Father viewing this as Satan wanting to be given His power. Satan could not be more powerful than God; could not receive more power that God already had. But it's not clear why Heavenly Father would need to cast Satan down by the power of Jesus, who may not have even been a God at this point in time, instead of by His own power. -
Moses 7:32 - knowledge in their day of creation
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How did Heavenly Mother become a God? -
Moses 7:32 - knowledge in their day of creation
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Like when Heavenly Father and Mother travelled on their road of eternal progression? -
Moses 7:32 - knowledge in their day of creation
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I am like God in some ways now. For Satan, I believe he had worship in mind. -
Moses 7:32 - knowledge in their day of creation
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I see your points but do spirits have a divine nature before getting mortal bodies? -
Moses 7:32 - knowledge in their day of creation
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He wanted to become like God. -
Is there any indication of the distance between the city that Enoch built in verse 19 with the land that came up out of the sea in verse 14? "There also came up a land out of the depth of the sea, and so great was the fear of the enemies of the people of God, that they fled and stood afar off and went upon the land which came up out of the depth of the sea". What "all nations" and "land" is verse 17 a reference to? "The fear of the Lord was upon all nations, so great was the glory of the Lord, which was upon his people. And the Lord blessed the land, and they were blessed upon the mountains, and upon the high places, and did flourish". Verse 22 said "And Enoch also beheld the residue of the people which were the sons of Adam; and they were a mixture of all the seed of Adam save it was the seed of Cain, for the seed of Cain were black, and had not place among them". Did the fear of the Lord which fell upon all the nations include all the seed of Adam or was it focused entirely on those nations of the seed of Cain?
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Moses 7:32 - knowledge in their day of creation
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Lust. -
Joseph Smith and the Problem of Evil
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I'm not keen on what appears to be solely philosophy. I don't see much scripture in what he said. -
Moses 7:32 - knowledge in their day of creation
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Choice has a structure of obey or disobey. He knew. For the same reason, he knows we break some of the Ten Commandments yet he still gives us rules and consequences. He wanted to be like God. -
The article ends with his testimony: That article breaks it down into 3 categories for analysis. I. The Logical Problem of Evil II. A Soteriological Problem of Evil III. The Practical Problem of Evil What thought process of Joseph Smith in his writings would explain this aspect of evil? Would "evil" in these scenarios just symbolize God's punishment instead of him being the origin of evil whereas "good" is symbolic of blessings? "Whithersoever they went out, the hand of the Lord was against them for evil, as the Lord had said, and as the Lord had sworn unto them: and they were greatly distressed" (Judges 2:15). "For I have set my face against this city for evil, and not for good, saith the Lord: it shall be given into the hand of the king of Babylon, and he shall burn it with fire" (Jeremiah 21:10). "And though they go into captivity before their enemies, thence will I command the sword, and it shall slay them: and I will set mine eyes upon them for evil, and not for good" (Amos 9:4).
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Moses 7:32 - knowledge in their day of creation
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Their God-given ability to think and make a choice. -
Moses 7:32 - knowledge in their day of creation
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By intelligences, I mean "beings" before these "beings" became spirit children. What caused evil influences for them? -
Moses 7:32 - knowledge in their day of creation
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I don't really know. But if God created sin so he could provide an Atonement, then he would be the author of sin. It's almost like the chicken and egg paradox. Does the chicken (the Atonement) lay the egg (the Fall), or does the egg (the Fall) lead to a chick (the Atonement). For your "but human parents" section, I might add "4. pass on a fallen human nature to their children". -
Moses 7:32 - knowledge in their day of creation
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I'd say pride and lust; the latter being like Eve's desire to become like God when following the devil's temptation. -
Moses 7:32 - knowledge in their day of creation
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What I meant was what evil did intelligences choose or act upon? -
Moses 7:32 - knowledge in their day of creation
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I think you said these intelligences had agency. How did they act regarding good and evil before becoming spirit children? -
Moses 7:32 - knowledge in their day of creation
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I don't see God forced him (programed him) to rebel. -
Moses 7:32 - knowledge in their day of creation
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Parents know their children will suffer, maybe even die from severe pain or be killed, and yet they give birth to them. That does not mean the parents are to blame. -
Moses 7:32 - knowledge in their day of creation
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"I think therefore I am". But what evil could these intelligences act upon?
