california boy

I am sorry, but I just have to say something here. Isn't this exactly how the Church treats the LGBT community? We love them, and are friendly towards them but they are not going to the Celestial kingdom. They will never be allowed to fully be a part of the Church. They won't receive the blessings of the priesthood. Their marriages are not really valid. They certainly are not allowed in our beautiful white temples. Did the Church even claim that their children are not allowed to be baptized before they got a lot of pushback? Is there really that much difference in attitudes? If you can see that, then perhaps you can understand why the LGBT community feels the same way about the Church. Makes me sick as well that sympathy and empathy comes with an asterisk. Well they aren't straight, so not on our team. Maybe this is not the time to bring this up either. I am not looking to derail this thread. I am just giving you all something to ponder about the institutional way the Church treats the LGBT community. All without any revelation from God, just the opinions of those who lead this Church. Are there not those that are LGBT who believe in Jesus Christ as Savior and Redeemer? Should not the LGBT community be judged based on their actions as well? Are they incapable of loving and cherishing their spouses/partners/children? Also sorry I am getting off topic. This is not a post anyone has to respond to. The only thing I am asking for is that if you find the way some Christian churches treat the Church to be morally wrong, then for just a moment reflect on the attitudes and policies of not just some that are members, but the institutional treatment of those that are LGBT. Maybe during this time of reflection, some may also soften their hearts a bit for those that the Church treats in a very similar way.

So sorry to hear about President Nelsons passing. I know he was a leader that so many adored and loved. Maybe that is what this thread should stay focused on rather than those who are angry for what he stood for. He was a great man that worked tirelessly to lead the Church the very best he could.

The fact that you think leading your post with someone somewhere calling the Founding Fathers Fascists and implying those on the left support this idea in your post tells me how extreme your views are on the actually political climate in this country. And if you think that extremism is only coming from one political party also tells me that you and people like you are a major reason why this country is so divided. Then stirring Christ and His message of peace and respect for others into this rhetoric is very distasteful to me. The teachings of Christ should never be used as a weapon against another political group in my opinion. Sure, there are those that should be condemned for what THEY say. But lumping everyone together in some common stew as if everyone on the left agrees with these extremeness is shameful and very far from the teachings of Christ. Perhaps you should consider whether you are actually describing your extremism and ask yourself if you are an example of what Christ wants us to. be.