blueglass Posted August 31, 2021 Author Posted August 31, 2021 On 8/29/2021 at 7:53 PM, OGHoosier said: Honestly, I'm not sure if it will exist in the same way. I'm aware of no particular scriptural evidence for that view. The closest thing of which I'm aware which would constitute that sort of evidence would be Joseph Smith's "same sociality" comment, but even then it's clear that not all aspects of human interaction will persist in the celestial kingdom, so I don't think that remark can be interpreted as exhaustive of all categories of human sociality. So I'm agnostic on the existence of post-mortal attraction. it could be as you say that there does not exist any such thing as love or friendship anywhere but in the highest level of the Celestial Kingdom. Anything but godhood is lonely isolation. Further evidence for this is found in D&Cov sec 132:7 Quote All covenants, contracts, bonds, obligations, oaths, vows, performances, connections, associations, or expectations, that are not made and entered into and sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise, of him who is anointed, both as well for time and for all eternity, and that too most holy, by revelation and commandment through the medium of mine anointed, whom I have appointed on the earth to hold this power (and I have appointed unto my servant Joseph to hold this power in the last days, and there is never but one on the earth at a time on whom this power and the keys of this priesthood are conferred), are of no efficacy, virtue, or force in and after the resurrection from the dead; for all contracts that are not made unto this end have an end when men are dead.
blueglass Posted August 31, 2021 Author Posted August 31, 2021 12 minutes ago, mgy401 said: Oh, I don’t think I’d say that it improved anyone’s understanding of the principles themselves—as they stand, they’re not exactly rocket science. But the change absolutely improved everyone’s understanding about which students and faculty members, given the chance, would slip into open warfare against those principles. I don’t think it’s a stretch to say that we learned more in those two weeks, than we otherwise would have learned in five years. ”Hastening”, indeed . . . ha! interesting. it certainly had this effect.
blueglass Posted September 5, 2021 Author Posted September 5, 2021 (edited) On 8/27/2021 at 8:03 PM, JustAnAustralian said: There could well have been training or further instructional letters planned had the policy not been leaked. It was pretty much a copy-paste of the polygamists policy. Did you ever get training specifically for that? Have you you training specifically for every single thing in the handbook? You seem to be going back and forth between transparency and ineptitude. They are different things. the church released the policy not a hacker. If the policy were released formally at general conference the same intensity hurricane would have erupted. polygamy is listed as sexually immoral in the latest handbook and a Membership Council Is Required (see 32.6.1). Same sex marriage is no longer listed in the list as a hand waiving exercise to deflect controversy, but they hold membership councils anyway. Not much has really changed. yes training is a good thing and should concentrate heavily on those matters pertaining to the administration of saving ordinances and councils pertaining to membership. transparency - I feel that the board of trustees was not transparent on why the entire section on "homosexual behavior" was removed from the byu honor code they approved. ineptitude - see Elder Snow's comments. I concur with him. Edited September 5, 2021 by blueglass
JustAnAustralian Posted September 6, 2021 Posted September 6, 2021 1 hour ago, blueglass said: the church released the policy not a hacker The church sent the changes in an email to church leaders. The only reason they hit the news was because someone sent them to John Dehlin who put them on facebook. https://archive.sltrib.com/article.php?id=3144035&itype=CMSID 1 hour ago, blueglass said: If the policy were released formally at general conference the same intensity hurricane would have erupted. The bigger issue that I saw people talk about, wasn't that married gays were categorised under the apostate heading, but the policies relating to children of people in a same-sex relationship. 1 hour ago, blueglass said: polygamy is listed as sexually immoral in the latest handbook and a Membership Council Is Required Again, the policy was more than just the people in the relationships. It also covered children of people in those relationships. 1
Tacenda Posted September 11, 2021 Posted September 11, 2021 Looks like this BYU student is kicked out of that school, wow. https://kutv.com/news/local/man-filmed-defacing-chalk-art-using-gay-slur-no-longer-a-student-at-byu?fbclid=IwAR3wxcXRc88J5iWvB6PSwy19pN0M7YOpVFBerNJ8AgSX94j7xkvdoSYmGtU
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