whistleblower on Church finances

[Calm]

29 minutes ago, Themoreofles said:

There is no way to look up contact information for an Area Authority on LDS tools or online. Also, there is no chain of command posted anywhere for members to follow should they not received adequate responses from local leaders.

Yep, noticed this myself.  It can be difficult to even discover the name at times.

The Church now posts and encourages contacting outside abuse hotlines in the case of physical abuse though that does not give potential victims access to church leaders. I have been given at one time the Church's own hotline and told to pass it on to a victim if they were unsatisfied with their local leaders' actions though.  Not a widespread optional yet.

I am unaware of any process for financial concerns.  Perhaps  those with experience as ward clerks or leader involved with that process could provide infofrom their POV.

If my bishop or SP did not provide contact info, I am guessing I would appeal to friends who might know or try a nearby Stake President to see if more helpful.

Edited June 14, 2020 by Calm

[smac97]

1 hour ago, Themoreofles said:

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Because you seem to be a vicious doxxer.  

I mean, name calling is the lowest form of refutation.

Fine.  You viciously dox people whom you dislike, a practice I find to be contemptible.  Is that better?

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Again: How about you ask me a question and I will answer it? 

Well, if you insist.  

1. Will you please stop publicizing and sensationalizing private matters in your life and those around you? 

2. Will you stop doxxing other people?

3. Can you appreciate that I don't want to interact with you is because I inherently disagree with what you are doing?  I don't want you to continue to play out your little melodrama in the public sphere.  It's unbecoming and unseemly.  

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I also must say that it’s a tired thing I see all too often: Men touting they have all the answers, but then when challenged, they become so uncomfortable with the implication that they may be wrong that they prove themselves to be severely ego-fragile without any one else’s help at all. 

Spare us the victim routine.  And quit hiding behind your gender.  I'm treating you the same as I would a man who behaved as you are.

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So if you sincerely seek the truth and want to know the reality of the situation, you could start with, Hmmmm I don’t know, may be asking the source? 

Asking you about what?  Your private life?  I don't want to know.  

Also, I think you should not dox people.  Asking you questions would likely perpetuate this little melodrama would likely involve you doing that even more. 

I think it is pretty weird for you to sensationalize your private life, to put it on lurid, garish public display, and then complain when people read/listen to what you publish.

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You will resort to more name-calling,

Oh, the irony.

The life you describe for yourself sounds very difficult.  I am sorry that you are facing these difficulties.  Truly.  But you have adopted a course of conduct that is, well, nasty.  Vindictive.  Mean.  You have repeatedly and viciously doxxed your husband, and now your bishop and others.  To be candid, I think you are entitled to huge amounts of deference and respect as a single mother.  However, that deference is not limitless.  I have spent a lot of time in the Church, and I believe it to be an overwhelmingly good and decent organization.  I hope you can someday dial down the animosity you feel towards it (and, I think, its members).  I also hope you find success in life.

But meanwhile, I ask you to grow up, quit doxxing people, and quit sensationalizing and publishing private details of your life and those of others.

Thanks,

-Smac

Edited June 14, 2020 by smac97

[Themoreofles]

3 minutes ago, Calm said:

Yep, noticed this myself.  It can be difficult to even discover the name at times.

The Church now posts and encourages contacting outside abuse hotlines in the case of physical abuse though that does not give potential victims access to church leaders, I have been given at one time the Church's own hotline and told to pass it on to a victim if they were unsatisfied with their local leaders' actions though.  Not a widespread optional yet.

I am unaware of any process for financial concerns.

If my bishop or SP did not provide contact info, I am guessing I would appeal to friends who might know or try a nearby Stake President to see if more helpful.

Which is exactly what I did. 

[Calm]

I am wondering if the mods might not want those emails even if not currently valid on here as they don't allow people to post others' nonpublic info and discourage people from posting their own due to spam, etc.  SInce the emails themselves don't provide any info, but merely demonstrate your effort, might be wise to remove them and those of us who have seen them can verify you documented your effort to contact him through email.

[Themoreofles]

3 minutes ago, smac97 said:

Fine.  You viciously dox people whom you dislike, a practice I find to be contemptible.  Is that better?

Well, if you insist.  

1. Will you please stop publicizing and sensationalizing private matters in your life and those around you? 

2. Will you stop doxxing other people?

3. Can you appreciate that I don't want to interact with you is because I inherently disagree with what you are doing?  I don't want you to continue to play out your little melodrama in the public sphere.  It's unbecoming and unseemly.  

Spare us the victim routine.  And quit hiding behind your gender.  I'm treating you the same as I would a man who behaved as you are.

Asking you about what?  Your private life?  I don't want to know. 

Also, I think you should not dox people.  Asking you to perpetuate this little melodrama would likely involve you doing that even more.

I think it is pretty weird for you to sensationalize your private life, to put it on lurid, garish public display, and then complain when people read/listen to what you publish.

Oh, the irony.

The life you describe for yourself sounds very difficult.  I am sorry that you are facing these difficulties.  Truly.  But you have adopted a course of conduct that is, well, nasty.  Vindictive.  Mean.  You have repeatedly and viciously doxxed your husband, and now your bishop and others.  To be candid, I think you are entitled to huge amounts of deference and respect as a single mother.  However, that deference is not limitless.  I have spent a lot of time in the Church, and I believe it to be an overwhelmingly good and decent organization.  I hope you can someday dial down the animosity you feel towards it (and, I think, its members).  I also hope you find success in life.

But meanwhile, I ask you to grow up, quit doxxing people, and quit sensationalizing and publishing private details of your life and those of others.

Thanks,

-Smac

Watching someone self-implode and prove my points without really having to do anything at all but discuss something on a discussion board is always enlightening.
 

It also tells me that you may have some deeply rooted animosity of your own. Hope you can get control of that, eh? 

[Themoreofles]

1 minute ago, Calm said:

I am wondering if the mods might not want those emails even if not currently valid on here as they don't allow people to post others' nonpublic info and discourage people from posting their own due to spam, etc.  SInce the emails themselves don't provide any info, but merely demonstrate your effort, might be wise to remove them and those of us who have seen them can verify you documented your effort to contact him through email.

Yes. That is with me. Giving proof like everyone asked for. I’ll redact in the future. 

[smac97]

7 minutes ago, Themoreofles said:

Watching someone self-implode and prove my points without really having to do anything at all but discuss something on a discussion board is always enlightening.

You repeatedly pestered me to ask you questions, which you then ignored.  Here they are again:

1. Will you please stop publicizing and sensationalizing private matters in your life and those around you? 

2. Will you stop doxxing other people?

3. Can you appreciate that I don't want to interact with you is because I inherently disagree with what you are doing?  I don't want you to continue to play out your little melodrama in the public sphere.  It's unbecoming and unseemly.  

Thanks,

-Smac

Edited June 14, 2020 by smac97

[Themoreofles]

1 minute ago, smac97 said:

You repeatedly pestered me to ask you questions, which you then ignored.  Here they are again:

1. Will you please stop publicizing and sensationalizing private matters in your life and those around you? 

2. Will you stop doxxing other people?

3. Can you appreciate that I don't want to interact with you is because I inherently disagree with what you are doing?  I don't want you to continue to play out your little melodrama in the public sphere.  It's unbecoming and unseemly.  

Thanks,

-Smac

So your questions are really assertions in which you beg me to stop sharing my story? 

If this doesn’t give away your actual motives, I don’t know what does. 
 

You don’t actually want to know the truth; rather you just want me to be silent because my truth is inconvenient for yours. 

[smac97]

13 minutes ago, Themoreofles said:

So your questions are really assertions in which you beg me to stop sharing my story? 

You complained about me reading what you have published to the world (if reading what you have published is, as you put it, "creepy," then imagine what descriptors can be attached to what you have published).  Then you hectored me to ask you questions, which I have now done, and which questions you are now refusing to answer.

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If this doesn’t give away your actual motives, I don’t know what does. 

I've never been shy about my assessment of your behavior.

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You don’t actually want to know the truth; rather you just want me to be silent because my truth is inconvenient for yours. 

Malarky.  

Here they are, for a third time:

1. Will you please stop publicizing and sensationalizing private matters in your life and those around you? 

2. Will you stop doxxing other people?

3. Can you appreciate that I don't want to interact with you is because I inherently disagree with what you are doing?  I don't want you to continue to play out your little melodrama in the public sphere.  It's unbecoming and unseemly.  

Thanks,

-Smac

Edited June 14, 2020 by smac97

[Themoreofles]

29 minutes ago, Calm said:

I am wondering if the mods might not want those emails even if not currently valid on here as they don't allow people to post others' nonpublic info and discourage people from posting their own due to spam, etc.  SInce the emails themselves don't provide any info, but merely demonstrate your effort, might be wise to remove them and those of us who have seen them can verify you documented your effort to contact him through email.

I cannot remove them. I don't have enough street cred yet. Can you tag a mod? I'll happily redact and repost within the rules. 

[Themoreofles]

6 minutes ago, smac97 said:

You complained about me reading what you have published to the world (if reading what you have published is, as you put it, "creepy," then imagine what descriptors can be attached to what you have published).  Then you hectored me to ask you questions, which I have now done, and which questions you are now refusing to answer.

I've never been shy about my assessment of your behavior.

Malarky.  

Here they are, for a third time:

1. Will you please stop publicizing and sensationalizing private matters in your life and those around you? 

2. Will you stop doxxing other people?

3. Can you appreciate that I don't want to interact with you is because I inherently disagree with what you are doing?  I don't want you to continue to play out your little melodrama in the public sphere.  It's unbecoming and unseemly.  

Thanks,

-Smac

1. No.

2. Not doing that, but your claims that I am are well taken. 

3. Of course I can appreciate that. If you don't want to interact with me, then by all means, please refrain from posting speculation about me in the future. 

Now, about that hostility you are harboring......

[Calm]

4 minutes ago, Themoreofles said:

I cannot remove them. I don't have enough street cred yet. Can you tag a mod? I'll happily redact and repost within the rules. 

You will get it when you get 25 posts.  I forgot you were limited.  Can you see the report post link in upper right hand of post box?  To avoid misunderstandings since you are a new poster, probably best if you report yourself and let them know you decided better not include the actual addresses.  If you can't report yet, I can making it clear it is by your request.