Ancient DNA Refines New World Settlement Paradigm

[Rajah Manchou]

Interesting new aDNA paper supporting the argument that the Na Dene (eg Navajo) are related to the Ket of Siberia. That's not so surprising. But the plot twist is that the languages likely diverged as recently as 5000 years ago. The genetic research in this new paper also supports the argument that Dene Yeniseian migrations from the Old World to the New World took place around 3000 BC, around the time of the "Jaredites".

Ancient DNA Refines New World Settlement Paradigm

Other recent theories have proposed that Dene Yeniseian is related to Sumerian, or Dene Caucasian.
The riddle of Sumerian: A Dene-Caucasic language? Mother Tongue 3: 63-74.

Here's a podcast (15 minutes) with some discussion.
https://www.pri.org/stories/2017-05-23/remote-siberian-language-ancestor-navajo

Edited October 16, 2017 by Rajah Manchou

[Rajah Manchou]

aDNA supports the idea that the languages of North America are related to Austric and Dene Caucasian.

The red and pink patches on the map of North America arrived in the New World around 3000 BC. They could have only traveled there by boat. 
 

Edited October 17, 2017 by Rajah Manchou

[RevTestament]

I'm not sure I understand that chart Rajah. Is it calling Chinese "Nadene Caucasions?"

If appears it is claiming NW Canadians and Texans  came from China...

Am I missing something? I do see Chinese/Oriental influence in the Americas, but much further south.

This chart also doesn't seem to comport very well with the theory that the Americans came from Siberia.

Comments?

[ksfisher]

44 minutes ago, RevTestament said:

I'm not sure I understand that chart Rajah. Is it calling Chinese "Nadene Caucasions?"

If appears it is claiming NW Canadians and Texans  came from China...

Am I missing something? I do see Chinese/Oriental influence in the Americas, but much further south.

This chart also doesn't seem to comport very well with the theory that the Americans came from Siberia.

Comments?

The colors on the chart are difficult to distinguish.  My first glance at it made it look like northern Alaska was settled by Dravidians.

[Rajah Manchou]

1 hour ago, RevTestament said:

I'm not sure I understand that chart Rajah. Is it calling Chinese "Nadene Caucasions?"

If appears it is claiming NW Canadians and Texans  came from China...

Am I missing something? I do see Chinese/Oriental influence in the Americas, but much further south.

This chart also doesn't seem to comport very well with the theory that the Americans came from Siberia.

Comments?

Its not the most accurate chart, and a lot of the language families are theoretical. But in short, Dene Caucasian would be the source of Tai Kadai and Daic languages of southern China, more closely related to Austroasiatic languages such as Mon-Khmer. Han Chinese would not be as closely related. 

The NW Canadians you are seeing are the Athabascans, and the Texans are the Na Dene in the Four Corners region, such as the Navajo.

But yes, that is the idea. That the indigenous people of NW Canada and Southwest USA are related to the Ket of Siberia and the Daic and Austric groups of Southeast Asia.

[RevTestament]

3 hours ago, Rajah Manchou said:

Its not the most accurate chart, and a lot of the language families are theoretical. But in short, Dene Caucasian would be the source of Tai Kadai and Daic languages of southern China, more closely related to Austroasiatic languages such as Mon-Khmer. Han Chinese would not be as closely related. 

The NW Canadians you are seeing are the Athabascans, and the Texans are the Na Dene in the Four Corners region, such as the Navajo.

But yes, that is the idea. That the indigenous people of NW Canada and Southwest USA are related to the Ket of Siberia and the Daic and Austric groups of Southeast Asia.

So what evidence do we have that the Navajo came to the Americas around 3000 BC?

[Rajah Manchou]

15 hours ago, RevTestament said:

So what evidence do we have that the Navajo came to the Americas around 3000 BC?

The Navajo would be a later group resulting from admixture and following migrations down into the Southwestern United States. The first evidence of their arrival being around 700 YBP in the Promontory Caves of Utah. This graphic from the pre-print explains it best:



Remember, the map is the best guess based on evidence that has been found. New data shows that these migrations were not always necessarily overland. The migration in 5000 years before present could have continued down the coast into Central and South America, for all we know.

Edited November 7, 2017 by Rajah Manchou

[cdowis]

This is what I find interesting== "These results suggest that at least two different ancestral populations contributed to the ancestry of the Amerindian populations."

I assume that the source of the haplogroup X is still undetermined.  The Druze are a possible candidate.

Finally, largely ignored was the discovery that a full blood AmerIndian had a common ancestor with someone from Greece.  The possible link is the transoceanic migration of the Mulekites to the Americas by Greek mariners.

Edited November 7, 2017 by cdowis

[RevTestament]

4 hours ago, Rajah Manchou said:

The Navajo would be a later group resulting from admixture and following migrations down into the Southwestern United States. The first evidence of their arrival being around 700 YBP in the Promontory Caves of Utah. 

Would you agree with the assessment that the best evidence is linguistic combined with some archaeological and DNA evidence?

[Rajah Manchou]

17 hours ago, RevTestament said:

Would you agree with the assessment that the best evidence is linguistic combined with some archaeological and DNA evidence?

DNA, especially ancient DNA, will be the only evidence that would really create a change in how we think about ancient populations. There is so much that is coming out lately, I expect we'll see some interesting stuff in the next few years. For example, the study above confirms a genetic relationship between the Na Dene and the Ket. Theoretical linguistic models seem to agree. But there is much more to the story. Haplogroup Q-242 is full of interesting stuff:

Q-M242 — is the predominant Y-DNA haplogroup among Native Americans. It is also the predominant Y-DNA of the Akha tribe (56%) in northern Thailand and the Dayak people of Indonesia. Only the Selkups and Ket are high majority Q-M242 in the Old World. Migration and disjunction of the Samoyedic peoples probably due to the dissolution of the Xiongnu (Hunnic or Hun) Empire. The highest frequency is 92.3% in Navajo, followed by 78.1% in Apache, 87% in SC Apache, and about 80% in North American Eskimo.

I haven't gone through the wiki to confirm everything there yet, but have a look. 

Then there is also the subgroup Q-120 which has been found in Mongolian and Hunnic burials, Paleoeskimos, and also in Peru.

Now that the data confirms human migrations from the Red Sea to Asia, and also East Asia to the New World by boat, it should be interesting times ahead.