RevTestament Posted October 1, 2017 Posted October 1, 2017 On 9/25/2017 at 9:28 PM, LittleNipper said: The Bible is right and anything contrary to what the entire Bible says is wrong. On 9/28/2017 at 7:52 PM, LittleNipper said: GOD created everything both the visible and the invisible. GOD created time. In the beginning GOD created SPACE and MATTER. GOD created LIGHT. Ephesians 3:9 9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the amystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who bcreated all things by cJesus Christ: Then you ought to become LDS since obviously he created you before he sent you to the earth according to this. In other words you preexisted this life in which you came into this world.
LittleNipper Posted October 2, 2017 Author Posted October 2, 2017 6 hours ago, RevTestament said: Ephesians 3:9 9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the amystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who bcreated all things by cJesus Christ: Then you ought to become LDS since obviously he created you before he sent you to the earth according to this. In other words you preexisted this life in which you came into this world. Jesus Christ is God. He and His Father are ONE. By creating the world at the beginning GOD foreknew everyone that would eventually exist and who would be saved and who would go to hell. That in no way means that either you or I had a pre-existence. We are mere humans.
RevTestament Posted October 2, 2017 Posted October 2, 2017 16 minutes ago, LittleNipper said: Jesus Christ is God. He and His Father are ONE. By creating the world at the beginning GOD foreknew everyone that would eventually exist and who would be saved and who would go to hell. That in no way means that either you or I had a pre-existence. We are mere humans. So God did not create everything in the beginning. Glad you cleared that up.
LittleNipper Posted October 2, 2017 Author Posted October 2, 2017 (edited) 11 hours ago, RevTestament said: So God did not create everything in the beginning. Glad you cleared that up. It would seem you are not a comprehensive biblical Christian. I'm glad you cleared that up. If you had a pre-creation existence, why would GOD now need to reveal a "mystery" to anyone? --- they would already know. Edited October 2, 2017 by LittleNipper
Anakin7 Posted October 2, 2017 Posted October 2, 2017 (edited) On September 30, 2017 at 6:35 PM, LittleNipper said: They are ONE. All three beings that collectively exist as ONE GOD had a hand in the Creation of EVERYTHING that exists. Yes they are one as they all share the same True God nature. Three "beings", "Being" in non LDS terminology means nature, essence, which what makes a thing what it is. So you are going against the standard christian definition of "Being' in your statement, you are saying that three natures, three essences, and each exist as one God, this is not True non LDS Christian Doctrine within your own house because they are one nature one essence in non LDS Christian Doctrine.. Your use of "Being" is closer in definition to True LDS Doctrine, Teaching, Thought . The 2nd person of The True Monarch, Eastern, Economic, Social Godhead Trinity Jesus Christ who is The Vice Monarch, Lord Of Life, Lord, Redeemer, Savior, God, King, Master created the physical universe under the Authority of God the Father who is The Monarch of The universe John 1:3. Yes all 3 members of The True Monarch, Eastern, Economic, Social Godhead Trinity had a part in creation but the actual work was done by Jesus Christ. Have a True Grace filled day. The Atonement it Is The Central Doctrine Washing My Garment in His Blood In His Eternal Debt/Grace Anakin7 LDS Sentinel, Son Of Thunder, Kryptonian Edited October 2, 2017 by Anakin7
RevTestament Posted October 2, 2017 Posted October 2, 2017 2 hours ago, LittleNipper said: It would seem you are not a comprehensive biblical Christian. I'm glad you cleared that up. I see you would rather challenge me than to address this problem raised by your interpretation. I believe the Bible, but I also realize that it is subject to interpretation both by translators of our current versions and by the reader. Sometimes it is apparent that it is speaking with hyperbole such as in Daniel when the horn conquers all the earth. Obviously, Alexander the Great is being spoken of but does not conquer the whole world. People like yourself tend to read the Bible very literally and linearly. Its framers just didn't write or think that way. So I interpret the Bible within the framework of itself rather than a mechanical, literal linguistic approach commonly seen. Quote If you had a pre-creation existence, why would GOD now need to reveal a "mystery" to anyone? --- they would already know. That's the veil in the temple my friend. Yeshua rent the veil in the temple that we may see, but traditional Christianity sewed it back shut. Just like we will preexist the next world, and not remember this one, we pre-existed this world. Let's see how well you believe what God says: Isa 65:17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.
Vance Posted October 3, 2017 Posted October 3, 2017 On 10/1/2017 at 7:55 PM, LittleNipper said: Jesus Christ is God. He and His Father are ONE. By creating the world at the beginning GOD foreknew everyone that would eventually exist and who would be saved and who would go to hell. Oh, so we don't have free will. We are what God made us to be. If we are evil, then God is responsible for evil. If He is a just God, then He must go to hell for all of the evil He created. Thanks for clearing that up.
LittleNipper Posted October 3, 2017 Author Posted October 3, 2017 9 hours ago, RevTestament said: I see you would rather challenge me than to address this problem raised by your interpretation. I believe the Bible, but I also realize that it is subject to interpretation both by translators of our current versions and by the reader. Sometimes it is apparent that it is speaking with hyperbole such as in Daniel when the horn conquers all the earth. Obviously, Alexander the Great is being spoken of but does not conquer the whole world. People like yourself tend to read the Bible very literally and linearly. Its framers just didn't write or think that way. So I interpret the Bible within the framework of itself rather than a mechanical, literal linguistic approach commonly seen. That's the veil in the temple my friend. Yeshua rent the veil in the temple that we may see, but traditional Christianity sewed it back shut. Just like we will preexist the next world, and not remember this one, we pre-existed this world. Let's see how well you believe what God says: Isa 65:17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind. Isaiah 65:17 has yet to be fulfilled. See Revelations. And I fully accept that Alexander the Great was referred to in the Bible. There is history, poetry, prophecy... However, there are indeed facts in the Bible. I believe you interpret the Bible according to the supposed enlightenment of your supposed prophet. I cannot do that.
Vance Posted October 3, 2017 Posted October 3, 2017 12 hours ago, LittleNipper said: It would seem you are not a comprehensive biblical Christian. It is you that can't support your position with Bible scripture. You have numerous CFRs that you can't answer. 12 hours ago, LittleNipper said: If you had a pre-creation existence, why would GOD now need to reveal a "mystery" to anyone? --- they would already know. Your logic is flawed, again. Faith requires that we not remember. Just as Jesus didn't remember and therefore had to learn who he was, we also have don't remember and have to learn who we are. It wouldn't be faith, if we had a knowledge/memory.
Vance Posted October 3, 2017 Posted October 3, 2017 (edited) 1 minute ago, LittleNipper said: I believe you interpret the Bible according to the supposed enlightenment of your supposed prophet. I cannot do that. I believe you interpret the Bible according to the supposed enlightenment of admitted NON-prophets. I cannot do that. As the Bible says, 7 Surely the Lord God will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets. AND 49 Therefore also said the wisdom of God, I will send them prophets and apostles, and some of them they shall slay and persecute: Edited October 3, 2017 by Vance
LittleNipper Posted October 3, 2017 Author Posted October 3, 2017 12 hours ago, Anakin7 said: Yes they are one as they all share the same True God nature. Three "beings", "Being" in non LDS terminology means nature, essence, which what makes a thing what it is. So you are going against the standard christian definition of "Being' in your statement, you are saying that three natures, three essences, and each exist as one God, this is not True non LDS Christian Doctrine within your own house because they are one nature one essence in non LDS Christian Doctrine.. Your use of "Being" is closer in definition to True LDS Doctrine, Teaching, Thought . The 2nd person of The True Monarch, Eastern, Economic, Social Godhead Trinity Jesus Christ who is The Vice Monarch, Lord Of Life, Lord, Redeemer, Savior, God, King, Master created the physical universe under the Authority of God the Father who is The Monarch of The universe John 1:3. Yes all 3 members of The True Monarch, Eastern, Economic, Social Godhead Trinity had a part in creation but the actual work was done by Jesus Christ. Have a True Grace filled day. The Atonement it Is The Central Doctrine Washing My Garment in His Blood In His Eternal Debt/Grace Anakin7 LDS Sentinel, Son Of Thunder, Kryptonian No! I'm saying three individual beings in one essence entitled GOD - co equal and eternal!
LittleNipper Posted October 3, 2017 Author Posted October 3, 2017 1 minute ago, Vance said: I believe you interpret the Bible according to the supposed enlightenment of admitted NON-prophets. I cannot do that. The only prophets existed to create the Bible with enlightenment from GOD. The Word of God stands complete and finished. All Christians have to wait for now is primarily the catching away and the millennial kingdom. These are yet to be fulfilled.
Vance Posted October 3, 2017 Posted October 3, 2017 4 minutes ago, LittleNipper said: No! I'm saying three individual beings in one essence entitled GOD - co equal and eternal! Why don't you study the Bible more? IF you did, then you wouldn't get so many things wrong. 28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I. 16 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord; neither he that is sent greater than he that sent him. 23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him. 30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.
Vance Posted October 3, 2017 Posted October 3, 2017 5 minutes ago, LittleNipper said: The only prophets existed to create the Bible with enlightenment from GOD. Another statement that you can't support with scripture. 5 minutes ago, LittleNipper said: The Word of God stands complete and finished. Nope. That is just another statement not supported by scripture. 5 minutes ago, LittleNipper said: All Christians have to wait for now is primarily the catching away and the millennial kingdom. Another statement that can't be supported by scripture. 5 minutes ago, LittleNipper said: These are yet to be fulfilled. True, but not relevant.
LittleNipper Posted October 3, 2017 Author Posted October 3, 2017 22 minutes ago, Vance said: Oh, so we don't have free will. We are what God made us to be. If we are evil, then God is responsible for evil. If He is a just God, then He must go to hell for all of the evil He created. Thanks for clearing that up. You're a goat and not of the sheep.
LittleNipper Posted October 3, 2017 Author Posted October 3, 2017 1 minute ago, Vance said: Another statement that you can't support with scripture. Nope. That is just another statement not supported by scripture. Another statement that can't be supported by scripture. True, but not relevant. Prove it!
Anakin7 Posted October 3, 2017 Posted October 3, 2017 39 minutes ago, LittleNipper said: No! I'm saying three individual beings in one essence entitled GOD - co equal and eternal! You are going against the non LDS christian meaning of "Being" which means nature, essence, but closer to True LDS Doctrine Teaching Thought. So these three beings live inside the nature and essence of God, reads sounds like the greek platonic hellenistic philosophical god of the 2nd - 21 century. Jesus asks who do men say that I The Son of man am ?, LittleNipper responds - "you are one of the three individual beings in one essence that is entitled God - co equal and eternal !", and Jesus answers what ?. I will stick with The God of Abraham, Issac,Jacob, Peter, James, John and the other apostles. May True Grace be with you and those you Love. The Atonement It Is The Central Doctrine Washing My Garment In His Blood In His Eternal Debt/Grace Anakin7 LDS Sentinel/Son Of Thunder/Kryptonian
Anakin7 Posted October 3, 2017 Posted October 3, 2017 42 minutes ago, LittleNipper said: You're a goat and not of the sheep. There is only ONE who has walked this sphere that can make that judgement, and thats not you LittleNipper, I say this out of Love. The Atonement It Is The Central Doctrine Washing My Garment In His Blood In His Eternal Debt/Grace Anakin7 LDS Sentinel, Son Of Thunder, Kryptonian
LittleNipper Posted October 3, 2017 Author Posted October 3, 2017 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Anakin7 said: You are going against the non LDS christian meaning of "Being" which means nature, essence, but closer to True LDS Doctrine Teaching Thought. So these three beings live inside the nature and essence of God, reads sounds like the greek platonic hellenistic philosophical god of the 2nd - 21 century. Jesus asks who do men say that I The Son of man am ?, LittleNipper responds - "you are one of the three individual beings in one essence that is entitled God - co equal and eternal !", and Jesus answers what ?. I will stick with The God of Abraham, Issac,Jacob, Peter, James, John and the other apostles. May True Grace be with you and those you Love. The Atonement It Is The Central Doctrine Washing My Garment In His Blood In His Eternal Debt/Grace Anakin7 LDS Sentinel/Son Of Thunder/Kryptonian As long as "Mormons" accept that God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit are equal and of one essence known by us as "he One and only true GOD" And that We are GOD's created beings and not in any way equal to GOD in our very nature. And that Satan is a created angelic being who was created perfect and yet fell from grace by attempting to be GOD and enticed man to do the same --- thereby bringing about the fall of humanity, then we might have some details in common. I don't believe Mormons accept any of this in reality. Is satan Jesus' brother or not? Are humans spirit siblings of Christ? Is the Holy Spirit a being or merely the power of the Almighty? Is GOD the self-contain CREATOR of everything? Was GOD always GOD or was OUR GOD answerable to some other GOD in the far distant past? I see Mormonism as the antithesis of everything Biblical. Edited October 3, 2017 by LittleNipper
Anakin7 Posted October 3, 2017 Posted October 3, 2017 I suggest more homework done by you on these doctrines, Jehovah witnesses believe the Holy Ghost is not a person but a power, LDS do not have this as a doctrine, he is a person. You are confusing the LDS and JW doctrine. Have a Grace filled evening. The Atonement It is The Central Doctrine Washing My Garment In His Blood In His Eternal Debt/Grace Anakin7 LDS, Sentinel,Son Of Thunder, Kryptonian
LittleNipper Posted October 3, 2017 Author Posted October 3, 2017 9 hours ago, Anakin7 said: I suggest more homework done by you on these doctrines, Jehovah witnesses believe the Holy Ghost is not a person but a power, LDS do not have this as a doctrine, he is a person. You are confusing the LDS and JW doctrine. Have a Grace filled evening. The Atonement It is The Central Doctrine Washing My Garment In His Blood In His Eternal Debt/Grace Anakin7 LDS, Sentinel,Son Of Thunder, Kryptonian Jehovah Witnesses have their own NEW WORLD translation of the Bible that is particularly slanted toward their own doctrines. They believe Jesus was/is only a created being, that Jesus and the angel Michael are the very same being. They do not believe Jesus was even crucified. They had a prophet/founder named Charles Russell, are against intravenous blood transfusions, among other things. AND they have repeatedly tried to give an exact date for the end of the world and have been repeatedly wrong. They believe Jesus returned in 1914. They are considered a cult because they believe they alone are the 144,000 and that these are not only saved martyred Jews from the TRIBULATION representing the 12 tribes of Israel. I see many parallels between both them and the Mormons.
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