Vance Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 On 9/25/2017 at 10:28 PM, LittleNipper said: The Bible is right and anything contrary to what the entire Bible says is wrong. The Apostle Paul didn't get his gospel from the Bible. Neither did Jesus. Were they wrong? Link to comment
Vance Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 On 9/26/2017 at 11:16 AM, LittleNipper said: In the beginning In the beginning of what? On 9/26/2017 at 11:16 AM, LittleNipper said: God created Created from what? On 9/26/2017 at 11:16 AM, LittleNipper said: the heaven Exactly what does this mean? Does it mean what the person who wrote it thought it meant, or does it mean what a modern person thinks it means? On 9/26/2017 at 11:16 AM, LittleNipper said: and the earth. Was this about 7000 years ago, or could it mean something else? Was this part "in the beginning" or not On 9/26/2017 at 11:16 AM, LittleNipper said: What is your interpretation? Eternity has no "beginning" therefore this means the beginning of this creation cycle. God, creates through the process of dividing or in other words organizing. God divided the light from the darkness Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and (divided) let the dry land appear Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night Link to comment
Vance Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 On 9/25/2017 at 9:21 AM, Gray said: You guys might as well be arguing over what flavor of ice cream is best. You have two different theological interpretations, there is no standard to "prove" which is objectively right. Duh, Rocky Road is the best. 1 Link to comment
LittleNipper Posted September 29, 2017 Author Share Posted September 29, 2017 On 9/26/2017 at 9:25 PM, Gray said: Jesus referencing Adam and Eve or Noah doesn't mean he considered them to be real people - I reference them too. And it's really irrelevant whether he thought of them that way or not. That doesn't change his point in the least. Of course if you're saying Jesus has to be flawlessly prescient, he predicts the end in his own generation, at least according to Matthew. That's silly and a very naive reading. Jesus didn't say Noah was real. Furthermore, Jesus had no way of knowing to begin with! Your conclusions do not follow from your premises. Well in that case the reference to people being baptised for the dead was merely a figure of speech, but apparently that thought never occurred to you! Link to comment
LittleNipper Posted September 29, 2017 Author Share Posted September 29, 2017 2 hours ago, Vance said: In the beginning of what? Created from what? Exactly what does this mean? Does it mean what the person who wrote it thought it meant, or does it mean what a modern person thinks it means? Was this about 7000 years ago, or could it mean something else? Was this part "in the beginning" or not Eternity has no "beginning" therefore this means the beginning of this creation cycle. God, creates through the process of dividing or in other words organizing. God divided the light from the darkness Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and (divided) let the dry land appear Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night GOD created everything both the visible and the invisible. GOD created time. In the beginning GOD created SPACE and MATTER. GOD created LIGHT. Link to comment
Anakin7 Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 Did he create darkness ?. The Atonement It Is The Central Doctrine, Washing My Garment In His Blood In His Eternal Debt/Grace Anakin Link to comment
Vance Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 9 hours ago, LittleNipper said: GOD created everything both the visible and the invisible. And he didn't create it from nothing. 9 hours ago, LittleNipper said: GOD created time. CFR Biblical chapter and verse please. 9 hours ago, LittleNipper said: In the beginning GOD created SPACE and MATTER. CFR Biblical chapter and verse please. 9 hours ago, LittleNipper said: GOD created LIGHT. CFR Biblical chapter and verse please. Link to comment
LittleNipper Posted September 29, 2017 Author Share Posted September 29, 2017 30 minutes ago, Vance said: And he didn't create it from nothing. CFR Biblical chapter and verse please. CFR Biblical chapter and verse please. CFR Biblical chapter and verse please. Well, which is older ------------------- GOD or His building blocks? And if GOD didn't make His building blocks ---- then which GOD did? ---because He would be the more powerful --- now wouldn't He! I certainly wouldn't wish to worship a lesser god. Maybe we should all worship Nature instead? Oddly, even atheists have a real problem with what existed before the BIG BANG! Obviously, Mormons know everything! Read the end of Revelations, you will see that GOD and not the sun will be the provider of light. And you don't observe that there is a lot of space between the heavenly bodies? And you do not see that all the heavenly bodies are made of earth! Link to comment
Anakin7 Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 8 hours ago, Anakin7 said: Did he create darkness ?. The Atonement It Is The Central Doctrine, Washing My Garment In His Blood In His Eternal Debt/Grace Anakin Once again Did he create darkness ?. Link to comment
LittleNipper Posted September 30, 2017 Author Share Posted September 30, 2017 12 hours ago, Anakin7 said: Once again Did he create darkness ?. Isaiah 45:7 ► Verse (Click for Chapter) New International Version I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the LORD, do all these things. Link to comment
Vance Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 13 hours ago, LittleNipper said: Well, which is older ------------------- GOD or His building blocks? Neither, both are eternal. 13 hours ago, LittleNipper said: And if GOD didn't make His building blocks ---- then which GOD did? They were created. 13 hours ago, LittleNipper said: ---because He would be the more powerful --- now wouldn't He! Non sequitur. 13 hours ago, LittleNipper said: I certainly wouldn't wish to worship a lesser god. Then why do you? 13 hours ago, LittleNipper said: Maybe we should all worship Nature instead? If that would make you feel better, go ahead. 13 hours ago, LittleNipper said: Oddly, even atheists have a real problem with what existed before the BIG BANG! Irrelevant. 13 hours ago, LittleNipper said: Obviously, Mormons know everything! By comparison. 13 hours ago, LittleNipper said: Read the end of Revelations, you will see that GOD and not the sun will be the provider of light. Chapter and verse please. 13 hours ago, LittleNipper said: And you don't observe that there is a lot of space between the heavenly bodies? So? 13 hours ago, LittleNipper said: And you do not see that all the heavenly bodies are made of earth! CFR Link to comment
Vance Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 19 minutes ago, LittleNipper said: Isaiah 45:7 ► Verse (Click for Chapter) New International Version I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the LORD, do all these things. 7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things. Obviously He is speaking rhetorically. Link to comment
LittleNipper Posted September 30, 2017 Author Share Posted September 30, 2017 11 hours ago, Vance said: 7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things. Obviously He is speaking rhetorically. Nope ----- That's what you added. GOD said no such thing. God created Lucifer fully knowing exactly what Lucifer would do. Without Lucifer things might have been different, but that is not what GOD intended. GOD wanted to save sinners and wanted them to turn to HIM. Link to comment
Calm Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 5 hours ago, LittleNipper said: God created Lucifer fully knowing exactly what Lucifer would do. So God created an evil being intentionally? Link to comment
Calm Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 17 hours ago, Vance said: Neither, both are eternal.... They were created. Are you missing a "not" in the second sentence? Link to comment
Anakin7 Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 Little Nipper So who created lucifer, God The Father or God The Son ?, many a evangelical has told me that God - Jesus created lucifer and not God the Father, which would make Jesus The Father of Lucifer. The Atonement it is The Central Doctrine Washing My Garment In His Blood In His Eternal Debt/Grace Anakin7 Link to comment
LittleNipper Posted October 1, 2017 Author Share Posted October 1, 2017 (edited) 49 minutes ago, Anakin7 said: Little Nipper So who created lucifer, God The Father or God The Son ?, many a evangelical has told me that God - Jesus created lucifer and not God the Father, which would make Jesus The Father of Lucifer. The Atonement it is The Central Doctrine Washing My Garment In His Blood In His Eternal Debt/Grace Anakin7 They are ONE. All three beings that collectively exist as ONE GOD had a hand in the Creation of EVERYTHING that exists. Edited October 1, 2017 by LittleNipper Link to comment
LittleNipper Posted October 1, 2017 Author Share Posted October 1, 2017 6 hours ago, Calm said: So God created an evil being intentionally? GOD created a perfect being with full knowledge that that perfect being He created would become the author of evil. Link to comment
Calm Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 1 hour ago, LittleNipper said: GOD created a perfect being with full knowledge that that perfect being He created would become the author of evil. How can a perfect Being become evil? 1 Link to comment
LittleNipper Posted October 1, 2017 Author Share Posted October 1, 2017 8 hours ago, Calm said: How can a perfect Being become evil? Through wanting to become GOD. Link to comment
Vance Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 17 hours ago, Calm said: So God created an evil being intentionally? Your are right. Thanks. Link to comment
Vance Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 10 hours ago, LittleNipper said: They are ONE. All three beings that collectively exist as ONE GOD had a hand in the Creation of EVERYTHING that exists. Everything? Including themselves? Link to comment
Vance Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 10 hours ago, LittleNipper said: GOD created a perfect being with full knowledge that that perfect being He created would become the author of evil. Then that "perfect" being wasn't perfect. Your point is ridiculous and illogical. 1 Link to comment
Vance Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 8 hours ago, Calm said: How can a perfect Being become evil? They can't. Link to comment
Calm Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 3 hours ago, LittleNipper said: Through wanting to become GOD. Therefore he wasn't perfect, a perfect Being would not desire to be something he was not, would not sin. 1 Link to comment
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