TheSkepticChristian Posted August 27, 2016 Posted August 27, 2016 (edited) 2 hours ago, Kemara said: your arguments have been soundly refuted over and over again. just because you keep repeating that doesn't mean it is true! 2 hours ago, Kemara said: Take Calm's advise, it could prove incredibly helpful to you because you demonstrably have no clue how to use data in an appropriate and academically acceptable manner. If you did know then you wouldn't come off looking so foolish and out of your depth. Of course I do! Calm simply didn't understand what I was saying! 90% of Americans are Theists. 2 hours ago, Kemara said: I clearly disagree that the three points have any relevance to your soundly refuted position. You didn't refute anything! 2 hours ago, Kemara said: Yet it is a clear example of interest in science which is just one of a number of real world examples that refutes your position. but I am talking about most Americans! How does a 300k march represent most Americans? It is clear you have no evidence to defend your wishful position. You are the one that needs to follow Calm's advice and take a psychology research class. On 8/25/2016 at 11:18 PM, Kemara said: . Let me ask you yet again, why does a person's interest determined by level of knowledge, reading habits and donations? I have asked you to defend and justify this position more times than I care to count, you haven't even made an attempt to do so. I can't think for you! You need to figure that out yourself! You agree that most Americans 1. don't read science books or magazines 2. Don't know basic Science. 3. Don't contribute to Scientific Research. Tell me again how is that not a lack of interest in science? Show me evidence that most Americans are very interested in Science or stop wasting my time. Edited August 27, 2016 by TheSkepticChristian
TheSkepticChristian Posted August 27, 2016 Posted August 27, 2016 (edited) On 8/25/2016 at 4:48 PM, bcuzbcuz said: I taught senior English composition in Secondary School, (Canada). I encouraged students to read, read a lot. I also made sure they composed an essay every week. Those who avoided the reading assignments performed poorly. those who read profusely did well. I also taught sciences for grades 9, 10 and 11 a few other years. Those who read the texts did better than those who did not. Canada placed consistantly higher in reading literacy, math literacy and science literacy than the States in the PISA results. Poor reading comprehension will influence even grades in maths and science. I also taught in Sweden, back in the day when Sweden had good, very good results, in the PISA tests. Swedes read very well. It has t do with a language where every letter saids its name. The stats do matter. Americans, as shown in numerous polls, believe more in pseudo science than they do in real science. And no, I seldom engage in discussions that merely argue from locked positions. Then Kemara tells you "Did your students who avoided their reading assignments never read their text books?" No one said "never", but that is Kemara in a nutshell. He likes to play word games Edited August 27, 2016 by TheSkepticChristian
Kemara Posted August 27, 2016 Posted August 27, 2016 1 hour ago, TheSkepticChristian said: just because you keep repeating that doesn't mean it is true! Yet it is true, demonstrably so...and it has been demonstrated using stats, real world events, articles, dictionary, logic and reason. 1 hour ago, TheSkepticChristian said: Of course I do! Calm simply didn't understand what I was saying! 90% of Americans are Theists. Another clear example of your ineptitude, go back and read what I actually wrote. 1 hour ago, TheSkepticChristian said: You didn't refute anything! You are completely delusional. 1 hour ago, TheSkepticChristian said: but I am talking about most Americans! How does a 300k march represent most Americans? It is clear you have no evidence to defend your wishful position. I provided this real world example to demonstrate the groundswell of the general populations interest in a science issue. As stated this is merely one example among many and a logical argument could be made that this sampling of people is representative of the entire American populations interest. This is particularly true in light of the article I referenced stating that 64% of Americans are concerned about climate change...that one statistic alone refutes your argument. 1 hour ago, TheSkepticChristian said: You are the one that needs to follow Calm's advice and take a psychology research class. Delusion...and demonstrably false thanks to both you and bcuz. 1 hour ago, TheSkepticChristian said: I can't think for you! You need to figure that out yourself! This is another example of your ineptitude and urgent need to follow Calms sage advise. yOU made the claim, therefore YOU need to demonstrate its veracity and legitimacy, YOU need to defend and justify YOUR position. So yes Skeptic, in this context, you are required to provide your thinking and how you figured it out. Intellectual hobesty demands this from you. 1 hour ago, TheSkepticChristian said: You agree that most Americans 1. don't read science books or magazines 2. Don't know basic Science. 3. Don't contribute to Scientific Research. Tell me again how is that not a lack of interest in science? Please refer to my answer immediately above. You are required to justify your position. I didn't make these claims, I merely challenged YOURS. So justify your position, you have been asked to do this over and over again, you have refused over and over again. You have no business being in a debate if this is how you behave. 2 hours ago, TheSkepticChristian said: Show me evidence that most Americans are very interested in Science or stop wasting my time. See above. 2 hours ago, TheSkepticChristian said: No one said "never", but that is Kemara in a nutshell. He likes to play word games Sigh...yet another example of your ineptitude and delusion. I have already addressed and refuted this specific point. Go back and have a look, I quoted your words to refute you yet again. How many times have you contradicted and refuted yourself now? You have no business being here Skeptic.
TheSkepticChristian Posted August 27, 2016 Posted August 27, 2016 (edited) 8 hours ago, Kemara said: I provided this real world example to demonstrate the groundswell of the general populations interest in a science issue. No you didn't! Most Americans don´t march for the environment! your real world examples don´t represent most Americans! your real world examples don´t prove anything! the only example was the moon landing on TV, but watching TV is not Science! I won´t ever bother responding to your personal attacks! 8 hours ago, Kemara said: . This is particularly true in light of the article I referenced stating that 64% of Americans are concerned about climate change...that one statistic alone refutes your argument. and I am glad that 64% of Americans are concerned about climate change, I hope that % keeps going up. However, they are learning that in the news, most don't bother to study the Science of the climate change theory! that is why many believe urban myths! even Al Gore is full of it! 8 hours ago, Kemara said: Please refer to my answer immediately above. You are required to justify your position. You didn't answer anything! I did justify my position. The sad fact that most Americans 1. Don't read scientific books or magazines 2. Don't know basic science 3. and don't donate to scientific research proves lack of interest! That is common sense. I believe Global Warming is real and a serious problem, but Global Warming won't be doomsday in the near future (centuries)! Many Americans do believe Global Warming is doomsday. Edited August 27, 2016 by TheSkepticChristian
Sleeper Cell Posted August 27, 2016 Posted August 27, 2016 (edited) 1 hour ago, TheSkepticChristian said: I won´t ever bother responding to your personal attacks! Or, apparently, to my CFRs. I am still waiting for a response to my CFR regarding your assertion about your “debate“ with Kemara: “if anyone is closely reading our conversation (I doubt it), he or she will know I won the debate.” Edited August 27, 2016 by Sleeper Cell
Kemara Posted August 27, 2016 Posted August 27, 2016 1 hour ago, Sleeper Cell said: Or, apparently, to my CFRs. I am still waiting for a response to my CFR regarding your assertion about your “debate“ with Kemara: “if anyone is closely reading our conversation (I doubt it), he or she will know I won the debate.” Skeptic picks and chooses and most often refuses to answer CFR's, he has stated on this forum on a number of occasions that because this is "just" a discussion board he doesn't have to take matters seriously. I still have 4 or 5 outstanding CFR's on this thread let alone all our other discussions. So please don't hold your breath waiting...unless you want to know what you look like with blue skin.'
Kemara Posted August 28, 2016 Posted August 28, 2016 On 27/08/2016 at 9:56 AM, TheSkepticChristian said: No you didn't! Actually yes, I absolutely did. Please explain how this is not what I claimed it was - an example of the general populations interest in science? On 27/08/2016 at 9:56 AM, TheSkepticChristian said: Most Americans don´t march for the environment! your real world examples don´t represent most Americans! your real world examples don´t prove anything! Yet another example of your being in over your head and not belonding in a debate. You have no idea how to use, explain or interpret statistics. Do you even know what statistical analysis, statistical inference or representive analysis even are? Quick, Google it. On 27/08/2016 at 9:56 AM, TheSkepticChristian said: the only example was the moon landing on TV, but watching TV is not Science! I bet you dont even realise that you just contradicted yourself. How many times is that now? Did I provide real world examples (plural) or did I provide only one example. Which one is it? It cant be both. Good grief your ineptitude is staggering. As has been clearly explained to you over and over again, and not just by me, a person does not have to do science or be a scientist to be interested in science. If you disagree then explain why, justify your position with more than "it is because I say it is". TV may not be science but science can be watched on TV, one's interest in science can be initiated, developed and satiated by TV. I would have thought this was obvious. On 27/08/2016 at 9:56 AM, TheSkepticChristian said: and I am glad that 64% of Americans are concerned about climate change, I hope that % keeps going up. Hooray!! You have finally acknowledged something that showed one of your assertions to be incorrect , well done. Hang on a minute though...earlier in this thread you said you are never wrong lol. On 27/08/2016 at 9:56 AM, TheSkepticChristian said: However, they are learning that in the news, most don't bother to study the Science of the climate change theory! that is why many believe urban myths! even Al Gore is full of it! Absolute meaningless dribble. It doesnt matter where a person gains an interest in science, the fact that they are interested refutes your position. It doesnt matter if a person studies climate change theory that fact that they are interested in climate change refutes your position. Remember, your position is that most American theists are not interested in science. Where they gain an interest and what level of knowledge they have is not a determining factor in relation to their interest. On 27/08/2016 at 9:56 AM, TheSkepticChristian said: I did justify my position. The sad fact that most Americans 1. Don't read scientific books or magazines 2. Don't know basic science 3. and don't donate to scientific research proves lack of interest! That is common sense. Restating your position over and over again is not a justification or defence of your position now matter how many exclamation marks, bolded words or capitalisation that you use. You need to explain why, you need to explain how, you need to show why your position is valid, you need to demonstrate its veracity, you need to address the challenges that are presented to your position, you need to address the alternatives that are presented to your position and you need to justify both. "IT IS BECAUSE I SAY IT IS!!!!!!!" does none of these things. Come on Skeptic, do it, back up your words, justify your position, defend your position from its challenges. If its common sense it should be easy to do, come on, back up the big talk. Do the 64% of Americans or the 125 million or the 311k, or all the Americans that have an interest in renewables, organics, alternatives, ecology, environment etc read scientific books, know basic science or donate to science research? On 27/08/2016 at 9:56 AM, TheSkepticChristian said: I believe Global Warming is real and a serious problem, but Global Warming won't be doomsday in the near future (centuries)! Many Americans do believe Global Warming is doomsday. So? What has this got to do with whether or not most American theists are interested in science or not?
TheSkepticChristian Posted August 28, 2016 Posted August 28, 2016 (edited) 6 hours ago, Sleeper Cell said: Or, apparently, to my CFRs. I am still waiting for a response to my CFR regarding your assertion about your “debate“ with Kemara: “if anyone is closely reading our conversation (I doubt it), he or she will know I won the debate.” Here 51 minutes ago, Kemara said: Actually yes, I absolutely did. Please explain how this is not what I claimed it was - an example of the general populations interest in science? I already did, re-read what I said! 51 minutes ago, Kemara said: Hang on a minute though...earlier in this thread you said you are never wrong lol. How am I wrong? 51 minutes ago, Kemara said: It doesnt matter if a person studies climate change theory that fact that they are interested in climate change refutes your position. LOL LOL How can you be interested in Science without studying science? You are not making any sense. 51 minutes ago, Kemara said: I bet you dont even realise that you just contradicted yourself. How many times is that now? Did I provide real world examples (plural) or did I provide only one example. Which one is it? It cant be both. Good grief your ineptitude is staggering. You try so hard to paint me as a flip-flopper LOL I did not contradict myself. You provided one example that represented most Americans in 1969, but that example is not good enough because watching TV is not science. You didn't provide any real world example that most Americans are interested in Science. Why not give me real data instead of wasting my time? It is obvious that you are more interested in painting me as a flip-flopper that changes goal posts. 51 minutes ago, Kemara said: TV may not be science but science can be watched on TV, one's interest in science can be initiated, developed and satiated by TV. I would have thought this was obvious. Is it science to watch someone on TV climb MT. Everest? LOL Edited August 28, 2016 by TheSkepticChristian
Kemara Posted August 28, 2016 Posted August 28, 2016 (edited) 19 hours ago, TheSkepticChristian said: Here I already did, re-read what I said! How am I wrong? LOL LOL How can you be interested in Science without studying science? You are not making any sense. You try so hard to paint me as a flip-flopper LOL I did not contradict myself. You provided one example that represented most Americans in 1969, but that example is not good enough because watching TV is not science. You didn't provide any real world example that most Americans are interested in Science. Why not give me real data instead of wasting my time? It is obvious that you are more interested in painting me as a flip-flopper that changes goal posts. Is it science to watch someone on TV climb MT. Everest? LOL So no justification, no defence, no logic, no reasoning, no explanations, no validity, no veracity, no addressing my challenges, no addressing my alternatives, no nothing, just Skeptic being Skeptic. You dont belong here, you dont belong anywhere near a debate that requires cognitive capacity and intellectual honesty. 19 hours ago, TheSkepticChristian said: I already did, re-read what I said! And what was that? 19 hours ago, TheSkepticChristian said: How am I wrong? Lol...I'll give just one example, among many. You said most Americans dont give a rats about climate change. Were you right or wrong? Now dont end up contradicting yourself yet again, you have already admitted 64% are interested in climate change. 19 hours ago, TheSkepticChristian said: LOL LOL How can you be interested in Science without studying science? You are not making any sense. Please refer to the Oxford Dictionary. Please refer to my previous posts. If you disagree then please explain why, defend your position, justify your position, demonstrate validity for your objection. "It is because I say it is" is not acceptable. 19 hours ago, TheSkepticChristian said: You try so hard to paint me as a flip-flopper LOL No I dont actually, its not hard at all, it takes practically no effort. Instances of you flip flopping are a very regular occurance, if not, why have I been able to point out so many? 19 hours ago, TheSkepticChristian said: I did not contradict myself. You provided one example that represented most Americans in 1969, but that example is not good enough because watching TV is not science. You didn't provide any real world example that most Americans are interested in Science. Good grief, this is simply mind boggling. First you said I provided some examples, but in the very next sentence you said I provided only one example. Its cut and dried Skeptic. TV is not science but a person can watch science on TV, do you disagree? I provided no examples? You are delusional, the only other explanation is that you are a very special kind of stupid and I dont believe that you are that stupid, so either you are delusional or dishonest...I'lll be kind and say delusional. 19 hours ago, TheSkepticChristian said: Why not give me real data instead of wasting my time? 64% of Americans have demonstrated an interest in a science issue, yes or no? 19 hours ago, TheSkepticChristian said: It is obvious that you are more interested in painting me as a flip-flopper that changes goal posts. Nonsense, clearly demonstrating your habit of flip flopping is just a bit of fun, what I have been trying to do is to get you to explain why your position is valid, I have been trying to get you to justify and defend your position. You wont becuase you cant. 19 hours ago, TheSkepticChristian said: Is it science to watch someone on TV climb MT. Everest? LOL No its not science but what it demonstrates is an interest in Mt Everest being climed, just like watching science demonstrates an interest in science. You got nothing Skeptic and you know it. Edited August 28, 2016 by Kemara
TheSkepticChristian Posted August 28, 2016 Posted August 28, 2016 (edited) 48 minutes ago, Kemara said: Please refer to the Oxford Dictionary. Please refer to my previous posts. If you disagree then please explain why, defend your position, justify your position, demonstrate validity for your objection. "It is because I say it is" is not acceptable. for the 1000th time! cut the straw-man. I told you I agree with the Oxford Dictionary. Interest - "The state of wanting to know or learn about something or someone:" Do most Americans want to know or learn "The intellectual and practical activity encompassing the systematic study of the structure and behavior of the physical and natural world through observation and experiment"? The answer is No! Most Americans 1. don't read science books or magazines 2. Don't know basic Science. 3. Don't contribute to Scientific Research. Tell me again how is that not a lack of interest in science? 48 minutes ago, Kemara said: No its not science but what it demonstrates is an interest in Mt Everest being climed, just like watching science demonstrates an interest in science. Geology is Science, are most Americans interested in geology? your example is like "Most Americans are interested in geology because they watched a guy climed Mt. Everest on TV" LOL LOL LOL 48 minutes ago, Kemara said: You got nothing Skeptic and you know it. No! you got nothing! and you know it! and I don't have time for you bull! all you want are personal attacks! 48 minutes ago, Kemara said: Lol...I'll give just one example, among many. You said most Americans dont give a rats about climate change. Were you right or wrong? Now dont end up contradicting yourself yet again, you have already admitted 64% are interested in climate change. I do hope I am wrong on that one, but not according to the stat I presented! Most stats prove I am right! However, I hope your stat of 64% of Americans is right! However, even your stat doesn't show most Americans are interested in climate science, that is a different topic! Enough! Your personal attacks won't make you right! Edited August 28, 2016 by TheSkepticChristian
Kemara Posted August 28, 2016 Posted August 28, 2016 19 hours ago, TheSkepticChristian said: for the 1000th time! cut the straw-man. I told you I agree with the Oxford Dictionary. Interest - "The state of wanting to know or learn about something or someone:" You say you agree but then you impose a definition of the word that is not in lign with the dictrionary definition. I dont think you know what a strawman argument is. 19 hours ago, TheSkepticChristian said: Do most Americans want to know or learn "The intellectual and practical activity encompassing the systematic study of the structure and behavior of the physical and natural world through observation and experiment"? The answer is No! Obviously the answer to this question is yes. How can you say otherwise when 64% of the American population have learned enough about climate change and have enough enough to form their concern about it? 19 hours ago, TheSkepticChristian said: Most Americans 1. don't read science books or magazines 2. Don't know basic Science. 3. Don't contribute to Scientific Research. Tell me again how is that not a lack of interest in science? Again, Im not making the claim, I am challenging your claim. The burden of proof is on you, a burden which is beyond you. You got nothing as evidenced by you simply repeating your claim again and again with no explanation. 19 hours ago, TheSkepticChristian said: Geology is Science, are most Americans interested in geology? Who said anything about Geology? You referred to climbing Mt Everest. See, now that is a genuine strawman. 19 hours ago, TheSkepticChristian said: your example is like "Most Americans are interested in geology because they watched a guy climed Mt. Everest on TV" LOL LOL LOL No, a strawman and a complete misrepresentation of what I said. If 125 million Americans tuned in to watch Sir Edmund Hilary climb Mt Everest then what I would say is that 125 million Americans are interested in watching someone climb Mt Everest. I dont know where you got the geology aspect from. The lunar landing was scientific progression which 125 million people expressed an interest in. Climbing Everest was a human feat in relation to mountain climbing not geology. That you cant tell the difference again highlights you not belonging here and being in way over your head. 20 hours ago, TheSkepticChristian said: No! you got nothing! and you know it! Repeating it over and over again doesnt make it true. You have to do what I did, actually demonstrate it and I have demonstrated it over and over again. 20 hours ago, TheSkepticChristian said: and I don't have time for you bull! all you want are personal attacks! All I want is for you to be intellectually honest, ethically sound and defend your positiion, justify your position, address the challenges and alternative to your position. You still havent and you never will becuase you cant. You have got nothing or you would have given it. 20 hours ago, TheSkepticChristian said: I do hope I am wrong on that one, but not according to the stat I presented! Most stats prove I am right! However, I hope your stat of 64% of Americans is right! Your stats are old, I have already told you that and if you read the article I linked to you would know that. You have provided no stats that legitimately support your position and I have already explained why over and over again. 20 hours ago, TheSkepticChristian said: However, even your stat doesn't show most Americans are interested in climate science, that is a different topic! Even if you are right, and a strong arguement can be made that you are not, what has that got to do with what we are discussing? What they clearly do show is that 64% of Americans are interested in climate change, as such your position is refuted. 20 hours ago, TheSkepticChristian said: Enough! Your personal attacks won't make you right! If I have personally attacked you they doesnt make me wrong either. The real point is that your position has been refuted over and over again. You have not been able to defend, justify, explain, show logic or reason or address the challenges and alternatives put to you. It doesnt matter what else I may or may not have done, you have failed, you have got nothing.
Calm Posted August 28, 2016 Posted August 28, 2016 If this has been posted my apologies, I have skipped over a lot of posts...pretty much just perk in to see if any progress has been made. https://www.nsf.gov/statistics/seind14/index.cfm/chapter-7/c7h.htm "Interest, Information Sources, and Involvement Four out of five Americans say they are interested in “new scientific discoveries.” Other science and technology (S&T) related issues also interest many Americans; these include new medical discoveries, environmental pollution, and new inventions and technologies. A survey of the United States and 10 European countries, including the 5 largest, suggests that interest in S&T in the United States is somewhat higher than in Europe." 2
Calm Posted August 28, 2016 Posted August 28, 2016 "Federal Funding of Scientific Research U.S. Patterns and Trends U.S. public opinion consistently and strongly supports federal spending on basic scientific research. In 2012, 83% of Americans “agreed” or “strongly agreed” that “even if it brings no immediate benefits, scientific research that advances the frontiers of knowledge is necessary and should be supported by the federal government.” This is similar to both 2010 (82%) and 2008 (84%). Since 1985, agreement with this statement has ranged from a low of 76% in 1992 to a high of 87% in 2006 (figure 7-12; appendix table 7-22). Americans with relatively higher levels of education and more science knowledge are particularly likely to support funding scientific research. For example, 75% of those who had not completed high school agreed that funding was needed, but 94% of those with graduate degrees expressed this view. Also, 73% of those in the lowest quartile of S&T knowledge agreed that support was needed, whereas 88% of those in the highest knowledge quartile expressed this view (appendix table 7-23). Another indicator of views about S&T is the percentage of Americans who say they think the government is spending too little on scientific research. In 2012, 38% of respondents said government was spending “too little,” 45% said the amount was “about right,” and 12% said it was “too much.” The percentage who said they thought the government spent too little on science gradually increased from 1981 to 2006, fluctuating between 29% and 34% in the 1980s, between 30% and 37% in the 1990s, and between 34% and 41% in the 2000s and 2010s (figure 7-13; appendix table 7-24). Pew Research also found that about one-third of Americans support more spending on scientific research (Pew Research Center 2011b). Other research showed that more than half of Americans reject cuts to science (Pew Research Center 2012c) and nearly three-quarters of Americans expect that spending on scientific research will pay off in the long term (Pew Research Center 2009). Compared with support for government spending in other areas, however, support for spending on scientific research is not especially strong, according to the GSS. Americans are more likely to say several other areas need government spending more than S&T. Education (75%) consistently receives the most support from Americans, compared with about 6 in 10 who say that government should spend more on assistance to the poor (61%), health (61%), development of alternative energy sources (60%), and environmental protection (58%). Support for increased spending on scientific research (38%) is roughly comparable to that for spending on improving mass transportation (38%) but garners more support than parks and recreation (31%), national defense (24%), space exploration (22%), and assistance to foreign countries (7%) (figure 7-14; appendix table 7-24).[23]" https://www.nsf.gov/statistics/seind14/index.cfm/chapter-7/c7s3.htm 1
Calm Posted August 28, 2016 Posted August 28, 2016 (edited) Again ifcI have missed this being posted, sorry: http://www.pewinternet.org/2015/07/01/americans-politics-and-science-issues/ "Religious Beliefs and Practices Affect Views on Evolution, Big Bang, but Elsewhere Have a Limited Influence on Americans’ Views Another oft-discussed factor in people’s beliefs about science topics concerns the role of religion. There has been debate among religious leaders over the theory of evolution through natural selection since the initial publication of Charles Darwin’s “On the Origin of the Species” in 1859.7 Stemming from what some see as a contradiction between the theory of evolution and core tenets of the Christian faith, the debate over evolution and its place in the school curriculum has played out in local communities and the courts around the country, including the Supreme Court in State of Tennessee v. Scopes, popularly referred to as the Scopes “monkey” trial of 1925. The analysis in this report shows that religious differences in affiliation and worship service attendance come to the fore for some science topics, particularly beliefs about human evolution and perceptions of scientific consensus related to evolution or the creation of the universe. At the same time, people’s religious differences do not play a central role in their beliefs about a range of other science topics including some in the realm of biomedical issues. We will have more to say about the intersection of religious beliefs and science in a follow-up report to come." Edited August 28, 2016 by Calm 1
Calm Posted August 28, 2016 Posted August 28, 2016 http://www.pewinternet.org/2015/10/22/science-and-religion/ " People’s sense that there generally is a conflict between religion and science seems to have less to do with their own religious beliefs than it does with their perceptions of other people’s beliefs.Less than one-third of Americans polled in the new survey (30%) say their personal religious beliefs conflict with science, while fully two-thirds (68%) say there is no conflict between their own beliefs and science. Moreover, the view that science and religion are often in conflict is particularly common among Americans who are, themselves, not very religiously observant (as measured by frequency of attendance at worship services). Some 73% of adults who seldom or never attend religious services say science and religion are often in conflict. By contrast, among more religiously observant Americans – those who report that they attend religious services on a weekly basis – exactly half (50%) share the view that science and religion frequently conflict. 1
Kemara Posted August 28, 2016 Posted August 28, 2016 19 hours ago, Calm said: If this has been posted my apologies, I have skipped over a lot of posts...pretty much just perk in to see if any progress has been made. https://www.nsf.gov/statistics/seind14/index.cfm/chapter-7/c7h.htm "Interest, Information Sources, and Involvement Four out of five Americans say they are interested in “new scientific discoveries.” Other science and technology (S&T) related issues also interest many Americans; these include new medical discoveries, environmental pollution, and new inventions and technologies. A survey of the United States and 10 European countries, including the 5 largest, suggests that interest in S&T in the United States is somewhat higher than in Europe." My my my, isnt that very interesting. Thank you for that Calm.
Calm Posted August 28, 2016 Posted August 28, 2016 (edited) "The foundation’s most recent survey of public interest and understanding of science found that nine out of 10 Americans are interested in science, but only 17 percent think they are well informed." http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=120061&page=1 "Similarly, a recent Gallup poll commissioned by the Bayer Corp. found that Americans are huge science buffs. The poll found that nearly all Americans (93 percent) believe it is important for the U.S. to maintain its current global leadership in science and technology. The same percentage recognizes that science contributed to the economic success this country enjoyed in the last century." my apologies for using a news summary, got a new iPad and can't figure out some of the tech to search for the specific section and it's 100 or so pages while using my old one, it bombed. Edited August 28, 2016 by Calm 1
Calm Posted August 28, 2016 Posted August 28, 2016 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Kemara said: My my my, isnt that very interesting. Thank you for that Calm. It is remarkable what you can find by googling "are Americans interested in science". Edited August 28, 2016 by Calm
Kemara Posted August 28, 2016 Posted August 28, 2016 19 hours ago, Calm said: It is remarkable what you can find by googling "are Americans interested in science". I wish I had thought of that, this discussion could have been over long ago!
Sleeper Cell Posted August 28, 2016 Posted August 28, 2016 5 hours ago, TheSkepticChristian said: 11 hours ago, Sleeper Cell said: Or, apparently, to my CFRs. I am still waiting for a response to my CFR regarding your assertion about your “debate“ with Kemara: “if anyone is closely reading our conversation (I doubt it), he or she will know I won the debate.” Here Non-responsive to my CFR. For the third time: CFR that “if anyone is closely reading … [your] conversation [with Kemara] … he or she will know I won the debate.” You have not even provided any evidence that indicates that I know you won the debate. Nor have you provided any evidence that indicates whether or not I have “closely” read your “conversation.”
TheSkepticChristian Posted August 28, 2016 Posted August 28, 2016 (edited) 3 hours ago, Kemara said: Again, Im not making the claim, I am challenging your claim. The burden of proof is on you, a burden which is beyond you. You got nothing as evidenced by you simply repeating your claim again and again with no explanation. I did prove that most Americans are not interested in Science, it's not my fault you don't want to see that! 3 hours ago, Kemara said: The lunar landing was scientific progression which 125 million people expressed an interest in. What exactly is your point? That most Americans are interested in space exploration? LOL Most Americans don't even know what New Horizons is! How can you say they are interested in space exploration? None of my friends cared a rats about the historic pluto flyby. 3 hours ago, Kemara said: Your stats are old, I have already told you that Spring 2015! Just few month older than your poll. It is clear you don't know what you are talking about! 3 hours ago, Kemara said: What they clearly do show is that 64% of Americans are interested in climate change, as such your position is refuted. that is not what your stats say! It says that 64% of Americans worry about climate change, it doesn't say Americans are interested in climate science! or wanting to learn the science of the global warming theory! Did most Americans learn about climate change in a science book? or from the news? 3 hours ago, Kemara said: You say you agree but then you impose a definition of the word that is not in lign with the dictrionary definition. I dont think you know what a strawman argument is. I am not imposing anything! My interpretation of "interest" is completely consistent with the definition of Oxford dictionary! Like I said, you have nothing! Why don't you learn from Cal? She did present some good data, not you. All you have are personal attacks that prove nothing! Edited August 28, 2016 by TheSkepticChristian
TheSkepticChristian Posted August 28, 2016 Posted August 28, 2016 (edited) 2 hours ago, thesometimesaint said: True,. but what fun would that be? Do most Americans 1. know basic science? 2. read science books or magazines? 3. donate to scientific research? If no, that is a lack of interest in Science, you disagree? 4 hours ago, Calm said: The poll found that nearly all Americans (93 percent) believe it is important for the U.S. to maintain its current global leadership in science and technology of course most Americans are going to agree with that. It is clear most Americans are interested in the blessings that science gives them. For example, most Americans want researchers to find a cure for AIDS. Science is like a rich guy at Hooters, the girls are interested in his money, not him! LOL In my opinion real interest in Science is 1. Studying it 2. donating to research 3. and prioritize it. Do you disagree with that? 3 hours ago, Calm said: It is remarkable what you can find by googling "are Americans interested in science". and that is the bias. You find what you want to find on Google. " " are not a good way to do serious research. Here is some evidence that Edited August 28, 2016 by TheSkepticChristian
Calm Posted August 28, 2016 Posted August 28, 2016 "Why don't you learn from Cal? She did present some good data, not you." If you believe my data is good, then why are you claiming still most Americans are not interested in science? 9 out of 10 is a rather substantial majority, is it not?
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