CV75 Posted June 27, 2016 Posted June 27, 2016 9 minutes ago, Sanpitch said: I'll answer the best I can with what I think you're getting at. The missionary practice does make a difference to me because it very much affected my grandmother and my mother and her siblings. After husband - father came home from his mission his farm and a start of a sheep herd had been sold to support the family. So he started from scratch by herding sheep for others and was 70 miles away so rarely home. Maybe unrelated but he was kicked in the face by a horse on his way back to the herd and died of infection. Family survived the best they could but very poor. Grandmother spent most of her life single, mom was 14 yrs old when she lost her father which she hardly know because he was mostly gone somewhere else. My wife's granddad has a similar story of getting married and called on a mission. How has this negatively affected you?
Sanpitch Posted June 27, 2016 Author Posted June 27, 2016 3 minutes ago, CV75 said: How has this negatively affected you? It hasn't directly affected me, I'm doing fine. Is the next question, "then why do you care?"
Avatar4321 Posted June 28, 2016 Posted June 28, 2016 They went because the Lord called them to go. Sacrifice is a central principle to the gospel of Jesus Christ
CV75 Posted June 28, 2016 Posted June 28, 2016 15 hours ago, Sanpitch said: It hasn't directly affected me, I'm doing fine. Is the next question, "then why do you care?" No, you obviously care (you said, "The missionary practice does make a difference to me because it very much affected my grandmother and my mother and her siblings." Are you trying to get your fellow posters to care?). But what does it have to do with the reason religion doesn't make sense to you?
Sanpitch Posted June 28, 2016 Author Posted June 28, 2016 12 minutes ago, CV75 said: No, you obviously care (you said, "The missionary practice does make a difference to me because it very much affected my grandmother and my mother and her siblings." Are you trying to get your fellow posters to care?). But what does it have to do with the reason religion doesn't make sense to you? It has very little reason why religion doesn't make sense to me. It would take a small book to explain my thoughts on that subject but look at the world and the religions of today. Many of those people are as dedicated to their faith as you are to yours. I have family members of the JW faith so I'm quite familiar with their beliefs. JWs would rather die than except a blood transfusion, I have known a couple who have. A better question to me is why should I join up with any of the faiths who believe in a God who can create universes, hear the prayers of hundreds of millions of people and keep tract of what they are doing and allow people to burn to death in house fires or other terrible things. I can't believe in such a God. And people pray for help in the small things in life. 12 hours ago, Avatar4321 said: They went because the Lord called them to go. There could be a little matter of opinion there depending on how strong your believe is, they were called by someone in the church leadership, not the Lord, but no use discussing that point.
CV75 Posted June 28, 2016 Posted June 28, 2016 29 minutes ago, Sanpitch said: A better question to me is why should I join up with any of the faiths who believe in a God who can create universes, hear the prayers of hundreds of millions of people and keep tract of what they are doing and allow people to burn to death in house fires or other terrible things. But that's not my question, and if it is a better question, then answer that one! You're not getting to the "why-of-the-why" of your position, which was my question.
Gray Posted June 28, 2016 Posted June 28, 2016 On 6/26/2016 at 11:22 AM, Sanpitch said: On Sundays I often like to listen to Manti radio and "Sounds of Sunday". Hymns that I don't usually care about however they are sometimes done instrumentally and are beautiful, most any hymns or other classical piece, especially the guitars. However as the "Spoken Word" came on the talk was about a father with the family name of Scofield. They were beginning the trek to Utah soon after Brigham Young's group had left. At some point Scofield was called or at least felt he should go on a mission and leave the family to fend for themselves to make the journey to the SL Valley. I don't understand that at all, it seems disgusting to leave the family for probably two years, I don't really know all the details, I would like to though. My grandmother, with two small kids, had her husband called on a mission in similar circumstances in about 1910, had no support but friends and family to see them through the ordeal. She was established in Utah however. WHY! It seems crazy now. Very damaging to families. I'm glad this practice has mostly been abandoned, although some of the heavier leadership roles also take their toll on the family.
Sanpitch Posted June 28, 2016 Author Posted June 28, 2016 30 minutes ago, CV75 said: But that's not my question, and if it is a better question, then answer that one! You're not getting to the "why-of-the-why" of your position, which was my question. I thought I explained my position of nonbelief and why, it that's not the question then what is the question?
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