TheSkepticChristian Posted June 22, 2016 Posted June 22, 2016 2 hours ago, Eek! said: I've never tried that before, doubt that I can do it, but it's a fair question. I will devote a couple of hours to trying. But first, just so I know what to expect: Are you using each number that you have chosen only once, or are you possibly repeating the same number more than once? No repetition.
TheSkepticChristian Posted June 22, 2016 Posted June 22, 2016 (edited) 3 hours ago, TheSkepticChristian said: Did you read The Improbability principle? Here is a video Nehor? Edited June 22, 2016 by TheSkepticChristian
Eek! Posted June 22, 2016 Author Posted June 22, 2016 22 minutes ago, TheSkepticChristian said: No repetition. Thanks.
CV75 Posted June 22, 2016 Posted June 22, 2016 14 hours ago, TheSkepticChristian said: Read about the Improbability Principle It seems you refer to this quite a bit -- I think I understand it better than you do in relation to what I've posted. Can you explain it in your own words and what you are trying to convey by bringing it up repeatedly?
TheSkepticChristian Posted June 22, 2016 Posted June 22, 2016 (edited) 3 hours ago, CV75 said: I think I understand it better than you do in relation to what I've posted lol I don't think so, you said, "Not the improbability principle because it is indeed a rare event—only happened three times." 3 hours ago, CV75 said: Can you explain it in your own words Not doing your homework. If you don't want to read the book, you can see the video. The Improbability Principle is not a single law, it's not a single thing, it's not a a single rule, you need to study it to understand it. 3 hours ago, CV75 said: what you are trying to convey by bringing it up repeatedly? The Improbability Principle explains some miracles and some predictions. I am not saying it explains everything, but it is useful. Edited June 22, 2016 by TheSkepticChristian
CV75 Posted June 22, 2016 Posted June 22, 2016 1 minute ago, TheSkepticChristian said: lol I don't think so, you said, "Not the improbability principle because it is indeed a rare event—only happened three times." Not doing your homework. If you don't want to read the book, you can see the video. it explains some miracles and some predictions. Please just use your own words!
Eek! Posted June 22, 2016 Author Posted June 22, 2016 14 hours ago, TheSkepticChristian said: Okay, I just wrote four numbers from 1 to 12, please tell me the numbers From 1 to 12, please choose four 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 You will impress me if you get them right. I promise I will be honest. 13 hours ago, Eek! said: I've never tried that before, doubt that I can do it, but it's a fair question. I will devote a couple of hours to trying. Tried and tried and failed. I am unable to relax past my fears of failure and embarrassment (well this is failure and embarrassment too). I can tell that I'm getting nothing, and whatever I came up with would be just a guess.
TheSkepticChristian Posted June 22, 2016 Posted June 22, 2016 3 hours ago, CV75 said: Please just use your own words! what? lol What about an article from Scientific American? Quote In The Improbability Principle, the renowned statistician David J. Hand argues that extraordinarily rare events are anything but. In fact, they’re commonplace. Not only that, we should all expect to experience a miracle roughly once every month. But Hand is no believer in superstitions, prophecies, or the paranormal. His definition of “miracle” is thoroughly rational. No mystical or supernatural explanation is necessary to understand why someone is lucky enough to win the lottery twice, or is destined to be hit by lightning three times and still survive. All we need, Hand argues, is a firm grounding in a powerful set of laws: the laws of inevitability, of truly large numbers, of selection, of the probability lever, and of near enough. http://www.scientificamerican.com/store/books/the-improbability-principle/
TheSkepticChristian Posted June 22, 2016 Posted June 22, 2016 57 minutes ago, Eek! said: Tried and tried and failed. I am unable to relax past my fears of failure and embarrassment (well this is failure and embarrassment too). I can tell that I'm getting nothing, and whatever I came up with would be just a guess. It's okay. I will try a similar experiment (similar to your experiment) to see if I can get them right, it will be just me in private. I think that is a good idea to see if I can recognize a religious voice.
Eek! Posted June 22, 2016 Author Posted June 22, 2016 2 hours ago, TheSkepticChristian said: It's okay. I will try a similar experiment (similar to your experiment) to see if I can get them right, it will be just me in private. I think that is a good idea to see if I can recognize a religious voice. Wow, you totally could have thrown the BS flag on me there. Thanks for not doing so. You still can of course! If you decide to try your own experiment, there's one more thing I should tell you. This is going to sound really weird... oh wait, that ship sailed long ago... To me, the quiet voice felt like love. I almost want to capitalize the "L". That's how I came to "recognize" it. 1
TheSkepticChristian Posted June 23, 2016 Posted June 23, 2016 (edited) On 6/14/2016 at 1:06 PM, The Nehor said: Because it has occasionally told me about the future and is always right when it does. in 1956 the Parade magazine reported what Jeane Dixon predicted at the time, "As for the 1960 election Mrs. Dixon thinks it will be dominated by labor and won by a Democrat. But he will be assassinated or die in office though not necessarily in his first term." So please tell me how are you so sure that your experiences were not the result of patternicity or the Improbability Principle? You don't have to tell me the details, but I sincerely want to know how you are so sure. More importantly, why is it that I don't have the gift of predicting the future? Bytheway, many believe that Morgan Robertson predicted the Titanic in his novel published 14 years before the Titanic. His novel, " Futility, or the Wreck of the Titan" Edited June 23, 2016 by TheSkepticChristian
TheSkepticChristian Posted June 23, 2016 Posted June 23, 2016 On 6/13/2016 at 9:17 PM, Kevin Christensen said: I wrote this a few years back: "A Model of Mormon Spiritual Experience." Among other things it has long detailed list of scriptures that describe how the Spirit communicates, divided according to whether addressing the mind or the heart. You wrote, "The person may experience time and space differently, and may even feel that the experience occurs outside the normal boundaries of space and time" I always wanted to experience something like that, but it now seems that I expected too much.
TheSkepticChristian Posted June 23, 2016 Posted June 23, 2016 16 hours ago, Eek! said: Wow, you totally could have thrown the BS flag on me there. Thanks for not doing so. You still can of course! I won't.
The Nehor Posted June 24, 2016 Posted June 24, 2016 On 6/23/2016 at 10:08 AM, TheSkepticChristian said: in 1956 the Parade magazine reported what Jeane Dixon predicted at the time, "As for the 1960 election Mrs. Dixon thinks it will be dominated by labor and won by a Democrat. But he will be assassinated or die in office though not necessarily in his first term." So please tell me how are you so sure that your experiences were not the result of patternicity or the Improbability Principle? You don't have to tell me the details, but I sincerely want to know how you are so sure. More importantly, why is it that I don't have the gift of predicting the future? Bytheway, many believe that Morgan Robertson predicted the Titanic in his novel published 14 years before the Titanic. His novel, " Futility, or the Wreck of the Titan" I am sure because they are accurate. They were not horoscopes open to a thousand interpretations. They were specific. I suppose I could argue that it was dumb luck that all those spiritually charged experiences happened to occur but it strains credulity. Plus that is not the only reason I believe in any case. As to why you do not, I have no idea. I have no idea why God gives specific gifts to people. I wish at times mine worked to discover things I wish but it does not. It is relatively rare. I may have got this gift because I am a spiritual giant destined for great things or because I am screw-up who needs every advantage or anywhere in-between. I suspect I am more on the "screw-up" side.
TheSkepticChristian Posted June 25, 2016 Posted June 25, 2016 (edited) 8 hours ago, The Nehor said: I am sure because they are accurate. They were not horoscopes open to a thousand interpretations. They were specific. I suppose I could argue that it was dumb luck that all those spiritually charged experiences happened to occur but it strains credulity there is a reasonable secular explanation. See 52:20 to 55:00. Edited June 25, 2016 by TheSkepticChristian
The Nehor Posted June 25, 2016 Posted June 25, 2016 20 minutes ago, TheSkepticChristian said: there is a reasonable secular explanation. See 52:20 to 55:00. The discussion in question is nothing like what I experienced. I did not have a vague foreshadowing (demon near the face of a friend) and then afterwards find out they were dead. That is incredibly vague. For example that would work if this person later found out the person was in trouble or experienced a setback or a crisis of faith or sickness or death. In other words a number of scenarios could be seen as a fulfillment of the hallucination or whatever you want to call it. The experiences I am talking about in my own life are far too specific. There was a very narrow set of criteria that would meet the situation. If I told you that a part from an airplane was going to land in your yard one morning the only way I could be right is if a part from an airplane fell into your yard. The first two times this happened I was very nervous about it because while I recognized the Spirit by then and knew what it was like and trusted it there was a fear it would not happen. It did. It confirmed my faith. I probably should never have brought it up here as it is unlikely to confirm that of anyone else. 1
TheSkepticChristian Posted June 25, 2016 Posted June 25, 2016 (edited) 3 hours ago, The Nehor said: . The experiences I am talking about in my own life are far too specific. 10 hours ago, The Nehor said: They were specific. I suppose I could argue that it was dumb luck that all those spiritually charged experiences happened to occur but it strains credulity. Perhaps for some reason God was truly revealing you the future. However, there is still some room for chance and coincidence. Everyday millions of people around the world have specific feelings (or make specific predictions) about the future, so we should expect that some are going to be correct. Bytheway, there are some people that win the lottery twice. A man was struck by lighting seven times. 3 hours ago, The Nehor said: If I told you that a part from an airplane was going to land in your yard one morning the only way I could be right is if a part from an airplane fell into your yard. . That would be extremely impressive because that rarely happens. However, if you tell me that I am going to be in a traffic accident next week, statistically your chances of being right would not that low. Unfortunately! 3 hours ago, The Nehor said: It did. It confirmed my faith. I probably should never have brought it up here as it is unlikely to confirm that of anyone else. Good for you. I honestly feel like him Edited June 25, 2016 by TheSkepticChristian
TheSkepticChristian Posted June 26, 2016 Posted June 26, 2016 (edited) On 6/24/2016 at 4:30 PM, The Nehor said: I suppose I could argue that it was dumb luck For example, to hit the power-ball your odds are one in 200 million. However, because of the fact that many millions of power-ball tickets are sold that means it is likely that someone is going to hit the power-ball. Like I said, millions of people around the world make specific predictions about the future, so it is going to happen that some predictions are going to happen. Perhaps you won a religious lottery? Edited June 26, 2016 by TheSkepticChristian
The Nehor Posted June 26, 2016 Posted June 26, 2016 4 hours ago, TheSkepticChristian said: For example, to hit the power-ball your odds are one in 200 million. However, because of the fact that many millions of power-ball tickets are sold that means it is likely that someone is going to hit the power-ball. Like I said, millions of people around the world make specific predictions about the future, so it is going to happen that some predictions are going to happen. Perhaps you won a religious lottery? Dozens of times? Wow, that would be impressive.
TheSkepticChristian Posted June 26, 2016 Posted June 26, 2016 (edited) 38 minutes ago, The Nehor said: Dozens of times? Wow, that would be impressive. If you predicted many unlikely events with specific dates and details that would be very impressive. Edited June 26, 2016 by TheSkepticChristian
The Nehor Posted June 27, 2016 Posted June 27, 2016 3 hours ago, TheSkepticChristian said: If you predicted many unlikely events with specific dates and details that would be very impressive. Indeed it would.
TheSkepticChristian Posted June 27, 2016 Posted June 27, 2016 1 hour ago, The Nehor said: Indeed it would. Would? I though you received many revelations (with details) that told you the future
The Nehor Posted June 27, 2016 Posted June 27, 2016 2 hours ago, TheSkepticChristian said: Would? I though you received many revelations (with details) that told you the future I was agreeing that my experiences are impressive. You look for any hole to dive into to doubt the whole thing don't you.
TheSkepticChristian Posted June 27, 2016 Posted June 27, 2016 (edited) 19 minutes ago, The Nehor said: I was agreeing that my experiences are impressive. You look for any hole to dive into to doubt the whole thing don't you. No, I was simply wondering why you said "would" Good for you that you have impressive revelations! I guess God loves you more than he loves me. Like I said before, I feel like him! If God exists he probably abandoned me! Edited June 27, 2016 by TheSkepticChristian
The Nehor Posted June 28, 2016 Posted June 28, 2016 23 hours ago, TheSkepticChristian said: No, I was simply wondering why you said "would" Good for you that you have impressive revelations! I guess God loves you more than he loves me. Like I said before, I feel like him! If God exists he probably abandoned me! I was being coy. Do you often indulge in self-pity like that? Yuck.
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