Jim Stiles Posted January 28, 2016 Posted January 28, 2016 On 1/24/2016 at 11:54 AM, volgadon said: Then how can you worship God? God is Spirit, and those who worship him do so in spirit and truth. Quote John 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
Jim Stiles Posted January 28, 2016 Posted January 28, 2016 On 1/24/2016 at 11:47 AM, ERayR said: Triune is spelled T-R-I-U-N-E. Where does the Bible explicitly state that men should marry more than one woman? Where does the Bible explicitly state that marriage is forever? Where does the Bible explicitly state that marriages were performed in either Solomon's Temple or the Second Temple? The Bible does not describe the Trinity, but it does state that there is but One God. It also states that the persons of God the Father, God the Son, and God the Spirit are God. Since the Bible does not contradict itself, the Trinity as expressed in the Ecumenical Creeds is the true nature of God.
Jim Stiles Posted January 28, 2016 Posted January 28, 2016 On 1/24/2016 at 2:44 AM, halconero said: Cus he chose not to. You have no evidence that God the Father has a body of flesh and bones except for the testimony of Joseph Smith Jr. Google "Joseph Smith Jr." some time.
Bobbieaware Posted January 28, 2016 Posted January 28, 2016 12 minutes ago, Jim Stiles said: God is Spirit, and those who worship him do so in spirit and truth. Do you believe the resurrected Christ is Spirit?
Jim Stiles Posted January 28, 2016 Posted January 28, 2016 2 minutes ago, Bobbieaware said: Do you believe the resurrected Christ is Spirit? God the Christ is Spirit; he also has a glorified body. I am a Spirit, and I have a non-glorified body.
ERayR Posted January 28, 2016 Posted January 28, 2016 12 minutes ago, Jim Stiles said: Where does the Bible explicitly state that men should marry more than one woman? Where does the Bible explicitly state that marriage is forever? Where does the Bible explicitly state that marriages were performed in either Solomon's Temple or the Second Temple? The Bible does not describe the Trinity, but it does state that there is but One God. It also states that the persons of God the Father, God the Son, and God the Spirit are God. Since the Bible does not contradict itself, the Trinity as expressed in the Ecumenical Creeds is the true nature of God. You are forgetting one very important detail, It is you who is insistent thay it must be in the Bible. LDS do not feel compelled to subdcribe to that notion. We accept continuing revelation. 1
Bobbieaware Posted January 28, 2016 Posted January 28, 2016 4 minutes ago, Jim Stiles said: God the Christ is Spirit; he also has a glorified body. I am a Spirit, and I have a non-glorified body. Do you believe it's possible for God the Father to have a glorified body and still be called a Spirit?
Jim Stiles Posted January 28, 2016 Posted January 28, 2016 50 minutes ago, Bobbieaware said: Do you believe it's possible for God the Father to have a glorified body and still be called a Spirit? Well, every evidence in scripture indicates that God the Father does not have a body of flesh and bones with parts and passions. The following is the best summary of the Bible's position on the nature of God: Quote WESTMINSTER CONFESSION OF FAITH: CHAPTER 2 Of God, and of the Holy Trinity 1. There is but one only, living, and true God, who is infinite in being and perfection, a most pure spirit, invisible, without body, parts, or passions; immutable, immense, eternal, incomprehensible, almighty, most wise, most holy, most free, most absolute; working all things according to the counsel of his own immutable and most righteous will, for his own glory; most loving, gracious, merciful, long-suffering, abundant in goodness and truth, forgiving iniquity, transgression, and sin; the rewarder of them that diligently seek him; and withal, most just, and terrible in his judgments, hating all sin, and who will by no means clear the guilty. 2. God hath all life, glory, goodness, blessedness, in and of himself; and is alone in and unto himself all-sufficient, not standing in need of any creatures which he hath made, nor deriving any glory from them, but only manifesting his own glory in, by, unto, and upon them. He is the alone fountain of all being, of whom, through whom, and to whom are all things; and hath most sovereign dominion over them, to do by them, for them, or upon them whatsoever himself pleaseth. In his sight all things are open and manifest, his knowledge is infinite, infallible, and independent upon the creature, so as nothing is to him contingent, or uncertain. He is most holy in all his counsels, in all his works, and in all his commands. To him is due from angels and men, and every other creature, whatsoever worship, service, or obedience he is pleased to require of them. 3. In the unity of the Godhead there be three persons, of one substance, power, and eternity: God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Ghost: the Father is of none, neither begotten, nor proceeding; the Son is eternally begotten of the Father; the Holy Ghost eternally proceeding from the Father and the Son. Neither God the Father nor God the Holy Spirit are limited in space. God the Son is limited in space because he has a body.
Bobbieaware Posted January 28, 2016 Posted January 28, 2016 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Jim Stiles said: Well, every evidence in scripture indicates that God the Father does not have a body of flesh and bones with parts and passions. The following is the best summary of the Bible's position on the nature of God: Neither God the Father nor God the Holy Spirit are limited in space. God the Son is limited in space because he has a body. Does not the fact that God the Son has a body of flesh and bone prove a personage of the Godhead can have a tangible material body and still be spiritual in nature and fully God? Edited January 28, 2016 by Bobbieaware
Jim Stiles Posted January 28, 2016 Posted January 28, 2016 4 minutes ago, Bobbieaware said: Does not the fact that God the Son has a body of flesh and bode prove a personage of the Godhead can have a tangible material body and still be spiritual in nature and fully God? To the best of my knowledge, there are only two events in scripture where God the Father made himself observable by human beings. Both times, he was present as a voice and did not appear in bodily form. If you are correct, then there are still many reasons for rejecting the testimony of Joseph Smith Jr. that are outside the scope of this folder.
Zakuska Posted January 28, 2016 Posted January 28, 2016 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Jim Stiles said: To the best of my knowledge, there are only two events in scripture where God the Father made himself observable by human beings. Both times, he was present as a voice and did not appear in bodily form. If you are correct, then there are still many reasons for rejecting the testimony of Joseph Smith Jr. that are outside the scope of this folder. You forgot Stephen seeing Christ standing next to the Father, while being stoned and Saul was cheering. If Stephen saw two personages like the scripture claims, what's the issue with Joseph Smith Jr. seeing the same thing? Edited January 28, 2016 by Zakuska 2
Bobbieaware Posted January 28, 2016 Posted January 28, 2016 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Jim Stiles said: To the best of my knowledge, there are only two events in scripture where God the Father made himself observable by human beings. Both times, he was present as a voice and did not appear in bodily form. If you are correct, then there are still many reasons for rejecting the testimony of Joseph Smith Jr. that are outside the scope of this folder. Do you believe because God the Son has a material body that it detracts or inhibits him in any way from being fully God? Edited January 28, 2016 by Bobbieaware
JLHPROF Posted January 28, 2016 Posted January 28, 2016 (edited) 1 hour ago, Jim Stiles said: Well, every evidence in scripture indicates that God the Father does not have a body of flesh and bones with parts and passions. The following is the best summary of the Bible's position on the nature of God: Neither God the Father nor God the Holy Spirit are limited in space. God the Son is limited in space because he has a body. Somebody should have told Jacob that when he threw his hip out wrestling with the Lord. Or Abraham when the Lord came to his tent. Or Adam when God walked in the garden. Or Moses when he saw the finger of the Lord. Or Stephen when he saw them side by side in the Bible. Edited January 28, 2016 by JLHPROF
volgadon Posted January 28, 2016 Posted January 28, 2016 2 hours ago, Jim Stiles said: God is Spirit, and those who worship him do so in spirit and truth. As you cannot abandon your body to do so it proves nothing. 1
RevTestament Posted January 28, 2016 Posted January 28, 2016 1 hour ago, Jim Stiles said: To the best of my knowledge, there are only two events in scripture where God the Father made himself observable by human beings. Both times, he was present as a voice and did not appear in bodily form. If you are correct, then there are still many reasons for rejecting the testimony of Joseph Smith Jr. that are outside the scope of this folder. How do you address then that God told Moses, that no man could see Him and live, so that when He passed by Moses would only see his "back parts?" Who is saying that? The "invisible God" who no one can see at all? Or the "invisible God" who remains invisible for the sake of man, that they do not die? But who has "shape" as Jesus indicated in John 5... He is the "Father of spirits" according to the Bible. We are spirits yet we can be seen.... Saying the Father is spirit is a teaching that the old law had passed away, and that the people should pray to the Father in spirit rather than seeking salvation through performing sacrifices, and following the law. Hence, salvation was not by the law, but through Jesus Christ. That is what Paul was teaching....not that people should not concern themselves with doing good works and abstaining from evil.
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