Mike Reed Posted November 20, 2015 Posted November 20, 2015 Does anyone here know who the main proponent of this model is? Does it have a following, at all?
Popular Post JAHS Posted November 21, 2015 Popular Post Posted November 21, 2015 I am working on a moon model. ........... Needs more work. 6
Zakuska Posted November 22, 2015 Posted November 22, 2015 (edited) I know this doesn't answer your question but it does pertain to BOM geography. And if you feel it hijacks your thread I'll understand. (I'm on limited so I couldnt start my own.) So if I may...Sometimes I like to put on my tin foil hat and parooze youtube videos and I found a real intresting one. Now please bare with me... I'm not endorsing this guys theories on Atlantis or UFOS. However the video does have all kinds of shots and information about some Mayan ruins in a place called Pedras Negras, Yucatan. He doesn't go over bored on ufo theory or nothing like that and sticks strictly to what's in the dirt so those turned off by that might find this really educational.The main thing that caught my atention was the name...Yucatan Hall of records.That peeked my intrest so I started watching it. I was immediatly gratified with some Mayan (they claim Atlatian) artifact iirc that had the Star of David on them.Later on in the video they where showing a round altar stone with Mayan gliffs on it and my mind immediately went to the book of Ether. It also wondered on to some information i remembered reading about that a college professor or news paper article back east had printed a story about the discovered in the yucatan and how Joseph Smith had I dentified the location as a possible BOM ruin through some diagrams and artists renderings thst accompanied the article. The video then goes into them travelling to the site by boat. They get there and they start describing the area and showing some of the previous excavations that had been done and then all of a sudden I had to do a double take because the woman talking said "Brigham Young Archeology department". My eyes and ears really percked up now. The video continued for several minutes and they kept showing different areas and excavation and all of them where Excavated by "BYU university Archeology Dept." By this time I'm really excited and I'm thinking to my self "Why is BYU concentrating so intensely on this area?" Then everything gelled and I put it all together. Library of records on Tablets.JS Identifying the possibility.Round stone altar with writing like in Ether.Church University very intrested in the place.3114bc - 2012adSo I wonder what they found anything?Without futher Adeu... Here's the Video.https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DwsKMBFDZ7YU&ved=0ahUKEwiTmLKH26LJAhVBW4gKHb5eAd0QtwIINTAB&usg=AFQjCNGkUIq-dXjt1R96KC6hlYC72_Ad3A&sig2=84Zs03zzoWCvXAT3r3qPCQEnjoy.More research on the site‘https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piedras_Negras_(Maya_site)&ved=0ahUKEwiUzc_g56LJAhUK4WMKHRyOB-MQFggeMAA&usg=AFQjCNEtVA-BLjx3H25KKjQwPSPXvwFEyQ&sig2=A0oZw3z0zVW6nDlcSB9hugMore on BYUs involvment:http://www.edgarcayce.org/_AncientMysteriesTemp/hallofrecordsupd.htmlSome intresting stuff! I wonder if they found anything in their lab yet? Edited November 22, 2015 by Zakuska
JAHS Posted November 22, 2015 Posted November 22, 2015 The Granada, Nicaragua area looks like a plausible candidate if one considers the general topography. https://www.google.com/maps/@11.6546097,-85.9845187,9z Do you have any references where someone has proposed this as a model?
Robert F. Smith Posted November 22, 2015 Posted November 22, 2015 See James Warr, Mormon's Clues: A New Look at Book of Mormon Geography (Herriman, UT: Circle W Books, 2004/2006), preview online at https://books.google.com/books?id=By3wYHoexWUC&pg=PA161&lpg=PA161&dq=book+of+mormon+geography+nicaragua&source=bl&ots=k23x8BfnjD&sig=jO4CGoX9V3FBTWKRRChgkxAZoJM&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjq4I_bgqPJAhVU5mMKHZWoA-QQ6AEIQjAG#v=onepage&q=book%20of%20mormon%20geography%20nicaragua&f=false . 1
JAHS Posted November 22, 2015 Posted November 22, 2015 See James Warr, Mormon's Clues: A New Look at Book of Mormon Geography (Herriman, UT: Circle W Books, 2004/2006), preview online at https://books.google.com/books?id=By3wYHoexWUC&pg=PA161&lpg=PA161&dq=book+of+mormon+geography+nicaragua&source=bl&ots=k23x8BfnjD&sig=jO4CGoX9V3FBTWKRRChgkxAZoJM&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjq4I_bgqPJAhVU5mMKHZWoA-QQ6AEIQjAG#v=onepage&q=book%20of%20mormon%20geography%20nicaragua&f=false . OK I have seen that one. I didn't know it was called the Granada model.
volgadon Posted November 22, 2015 Posted November 22, 2015 Zakuska, the Star of David would not be a central or unique symbol until the latter part of the 1800s. 2
Robert F. Smith Posted November 22, 2015 Posted November 22, 2015 OK I have seen that one. I didn't know it was called the Granada model.I didn't either, More like the Nicaragua Model.
Zakuska Posted November 22, 2015 Posted November 22, 2015 (edited) Zakuska, the Star of David would not be a central or unique symbol until the latter part of the 1800s.Unique is the keyword. It being used as a symbol by Jews on talismans ( protective amulets worn around the neck) which is what the artifact appears to be, go back way further.The earliest use we have for certain is the symbol being used on synagogs which date back to the third or forth centuries.The hexagram does appear occasionally in Jewish contexts since antiquity, apparently as a decorative motif. For example, in Israel, there is a stone bearing a hexagram from the arch of a 3rd–4th century synagogue in the Galilee.[10] Originally, the hexagram may have been employed as an architectural ornament on synagogues, as it is, for example, on the cathedrals of Brandenburg and Stendal, and on the Marktkirche at Hanover. A pentagram in this form is found on the ancient synagogue at Tell Hum. In the synagogues, perhaps, it was associated with the mezuzah.It also appears in the mesoretic texts. Dating to 1008 ad. Edited November 22, 2015 by Zakuska
volgadon Posted November 23, 2015 Posted November 23, 2015 Unique is the keyword. It being used as a symbol by Jews on talismans ( protective amulets worn around the neck) which is what the artifact appears to be, go back way further.The earliest use we have for certain is the symbol being used on synagogs which date back to the third or forth centuries.It also appears in the mesoretic texts. Dating to 1008 ad.There is a Star of David in New Mexico predating the BoM, too. As there is a difference between a Jewish symbol and a symbol used by Jews (the ones in medieval biblical manuscripts are there via Muslim influence), finding one in South America means very little.
Zakuska Posted November 23, 2015 Posted November 23, 2015 More on the excavations by BYUhttp://magazine.byu.edu/article/reading-ancient-stories/
Zakuska Posted November 24, 2015 Posted November 24, 2015 (edited) Interesting Tid bit I learned... get this Bible symbolism!I have often heard it asked "How would we know a Nephite artifact if we saw one?"So bear with me while I answer that.The Samaritians were Jews who were part of the Northern Kingdom that were carried away captive into Assyria. Jeremiah was of this group and Lehi would have been too, if he hadn't escaped to the Americas. The Samaritians returned from excile and settled back in their city of inheritance in Sumaria in the northern kingdom and their center of worship was in the city of Sychar. This is were Josephs well was located, and Mt Gezrom with its competing temple and priests etc.In Israels son Joseph's patriarchal blessing it is said "he's a fruitful bow by a well that floweth over a wall." [Paraphrase]Us Mormons take this as a direct pointer to Lehi and his family, who were of the northern tribe of Manassah.This is where it gets good. Pay atention above to all the water/well/fountian imagery.Christ met a woman by a well on his way to Galelie (sic) and asked her to get him some water. He has the conversation about water from the well and how He was going to provide her "living waters" that would spring up into Eternal life. What if this has more meaning than what he explained? We know Ezekiel spoke of the stick of Ephraim and how God would use it and the other stick to push the ends of the world together at the last days.So I found out something new... Mayan is actually a hebrew word that means "fountian".http://biblehub.com/hebrew/4599.htmSo in answer to my original question... HOW ABOUT A NEON SIGN that says "water park" come get the "living waters" contained in the BOM. Edited November 24, 2015 by Zakuska
The Nehor Posted November 24, 2015 Posted November 24, 2015 Interesting Tid bit I learned... get this Bible symbolism!I have often heard it asked "How would we know a Nephite artifact if we saw one?"So bear with me while I answer that.The Samaritians were Jews who were part of the Northern Kingdom that were carried away captive into Assyria. Jeremiah was of this group and Lehi would have been too, if he hadn't escaped to the Americas. The Samaritians returned from excile and settled back in their city of inheritance in Sumaria in the northern kingdom and their center of worship was in the city of Sychar. This is were Josephs well was located, and Mt Gezrom with its competing temple and priests etc.In Israels son Joseph's patriarchal blessing it is said "he's a fruitful bow by a well that floweth over a wall." [Paraphrase]Us Mormons take this as a direct pointer to Lehi and his family, who were of the northern tribe of Manassah.This is where it gets good. Pay atention above to all the water/well/fountian imagery.Christ met a woman by a well on his way to Galelie (sic) and asked her to get him some water. He has the conversation about water from the well and how He was going to provide her "living waters" that would spring up into Eternal life.What if this has more meaning than what he explained?We know Ezekiel spoke of the stick of Ephraim and how God would use it and the other stick to push the ends of the world together at the last days.So I found out something new...Mayan is actually a hebrew word that means "fountian".http://biblehub.com/hebrew/4599.htmSo in answer to my original question...HOW ABOUT A NEON SIGN that says "water park" come get the "living waters" contained in the BOM. More then a bit of a stretch.
volgadon Posted November 24, 2015 Posted November 24, 2015 Nevermind that the Assyrian occurred long before Jeremiah and Lehi, the Hebrew for fountain is maayan, not Mayan, and would have nothing to do with the English adjective. 1
Zakuska Posted November 24, 2015 Posted November 24, 2015 (edited) Nevermind that the Assyrian occurred long before Jeremiah and Lehi, the Hebrew for fountain is maayan, not Mayan, and would have nothing to do with the English adjective.Technically Vog it would be MYN. And the strongs spells it Mayan. Jeremiah 2:13 and 17:13 which is where the whole "fountian of Living Waters" prophecy comes from that Christ was talking to the woman at the well about. Uses these terms. maqor (maw-kore) chay (chah-ee) mayim (mah-yim) I wonder if all the Maya Macaws and Cinotes might be some indicator. We might have a set of Glyphs that spell out something similar. Interesting Mayan Gods names Chicchan - A group of four Chorti rain gods who live in lakes and make rain clouds from the water in those lakes. Each of the rain gods was associated with a cardinal direction, similar to the Bacabs. Chiccan was also the name of a day in the Tzolkin cycle of the maya calendar. Ixazaluoh - The goddess of water and weaving. Bahlam - Any of a group of jaguar gods who protected people and communities. Edited November 24, 2015 by Zakuska
volgadon Posted November 24, 2015 Posted November 24, 2015 Technically Vog it would be MYN. And the strongs spells it Mayan. Not at all. MYN would be מין, an entirely different word with no connection whatsoever to fountains or water. You are missing an ayin. Maayan is spelled מעין. The root is Ayin-yod-nun. Strongs' can spell it however they will, it is not a serious resource in any case. Please do explain why we should connect the Hebrew with an English adjective. 1
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