The Rich And The Poor - Lds Statements

[thesometimesaint]

It should be noted that the laws of economics apply in Australia just like anywhere else.  Their minimum wage is on a sliding scale to account for youth employment and other factors.  Also, workers might be paid more, but their "buying power" is less, so the economic outcome isn't quite the same. 

 

It's impossible for anyone to take into account all the factors that go into a "fair wage".  This is one situation where it would be especially beneficial for everyone (employer and employee) to be able to negotiate the market price, since it is these kind of problems that are best solved by markets.  It would be great if we could have a group of really smart, rational, compassionate people with a hand on the dial to adjust it to be just right, but no one is that smart.

 

Actually it isn't all that hard. A "Fair Wage" is considered to be the same thing as Minimum Wage. It is designed to reward work sufficiently to keep the youngest/least proficient members of a society interested in working enough to pay for their own basic goods and services. IE; If the Minimum Wage kept pace with inflation from 1968 to now be it would $10.90/hr.

SEE http://www.raisetheminimumwage.com/facts/entry/amount-with-inflation

[sdc999]

Let's start off with your question of "what would Jesus do?"    Well, if I went to my employees and gave them blessings, because Jesus didn't play the role of employer,  instead of a paycheck, they would probably crucify me.  Jesus played an unmatchable role in the history of life that no man can match.   But I have a roll that is different as do many business owners. 

 

 

How many low paid parents (25 years or older) that pay rent and the bills, received a better life in less than two decades?  It is much harder for single mothers. 

I know a couple who "received" a better life through inheritance and gov't assistance but I know others who worked for and achieved a better life through perseverance, never give up attitude and a willingness to adapt and overcome.  Some had to move their families to where the jobs were, some altered their career path.   Single Mothers. This could be an entire book to itself.  So I don't pull out the judgement card that you so hate, what caused a mother to be single?  Was it a string of bad choices?   You may answer that she didn't need to stay with an abusive husband.  I agree 100%.    With a divorce rate hovering in the 50% range these days, it doesn't seem commitment is a priority to most.  Why not set yourself up to be successful prior to having children or a marriage?  I am trying to impress this to my kids.  Heck, my wife, early in our marriage could have walked away and been fine raising our two children because she got an education first and was employable prior to the "i do".  

 

Please do not judge, you don't know the circumstances of all the poor.

I am talking about a living wage, all hard workers need a living wage. They need money to feed their children. 

You and I may have a different opinion of the word "poor".  You attribute it to $$.  In the verse you cited earlier, I read poor to mean those that just can't.    I have no qualms in helping those who wish to better themselves but for someone to say give me more and I'll just keep doing what I'm doing holds no water.   All hard workers do not need or deserve a living wage.   By that definition, then the hard working factory worker and the hard working cashier at McDonalds both deserve a living wage.  And if a living wage = a living wage, then by your definition they should both be paid the same irregardless of the skill required.  The factory worker will probably want to quit and have an easier "hard working" job if he will be paid the same.   Again, I do not pay my employees minimum wage.  I think they put in more effort than the kid at McDonalds flipping burgers; thus, they make anywhere from $1.00 to 2.00 more per hour.  

Divorce is the real culprit here. I would applaud a greater scrutiny of the divorce and child support laws...

 

"It depends on their circumstances and chance, not all the poor have the same circumstances, trust me."

 

You are right.  Not everyone will have the same circumstances and chance.  Welcome to life.  We should strive to make life better for our children.  But we are a "me" generation.  I want it now.  A living wage is owed to me..blah blah..." Yes, even the "poor" kids can go to college with all of the grants available today.  You may be a poor parent, but you can help your kids become successful if you take time to help in their education.  

 

 

 

Another thing for the single mothers you harp on.  I know one right now that barely makes ends meet with some gov't and occasional family assistance.  She HATES her job.  She hasn't quit to rely fully on the gov't.  She is making do while she puts herself in a position to get a better chance.   Oh yeah, she does have an education, although not in a very marketable field, but she will be successful with her drive to make life better for her kids even if it never works out for her.  

[MormonFreeThinker]

I know a couple who "received" a better life through inheritance and gov't assistance but I know others who worked for and achieved a better life through perseverance, never give up attitude and a willingness to adapt and overcome.  

 

Again, just because some do it, it doesn't mean everybody can do it. It depends on their circumstances and chance.

How can poor single mothers do it? How can they afford college? How can a person with learning disadvantages and poor skills do it?  

 

 

 With a divorce rate hovering in the 50% range these days, it doesn't seem commitment is a priority to most.  Why not set yourself up to be successful prior to having children or a marriage?

 

Let me remind you what Elder Holland said, "Perhaps some have created their own difficulties, but don’t the rest of us do exactly the same thing? Isn’t that why this compassionate ruler asks, “Are we not all beggars?” Don’t we all cry out for help and hope and answers to prayers? Don’t we all beg for forgiveness for mistakes we have made and troubles we have caused?" 

https://www.lds.org/general-conference/2014/10/are-we-not-all-beggars?lang=eng

 

 

  All hard workers do not need or deserve a living wage.   By that definition, then the hard working factory worker and the hard working cashier at McDonalds both deserve a living wage.  And if a living wage = a living wage, then by your definition they should both be paid the same irregardless of the skill required.  The factory worker will probably want to quit and have an easier "hard working" job if he will be paid the same.   Again, I do not pay my employees minimum wage.  I think they put in more effort than the kid at McDonalds flipping burgers; thus, they make anywhere from $1.00 to 2.00 more per hour.  

 

A living wage is not a fortune. A living wage is the amount necessary to survive. A living wage is having enough to pay the bills (water), the rent (small apartment), and the food.  I am sorry but many people do not have anywhere else to go, why do you judge? 

 

Many factory jobs are very tough, workers do far more than their bosses. 

 

I know one right now that barely makes ends meet with some gov't and occasional family assistance.  She HATES her job.  She hasn't quit to rely fully on the gov't. 

 

That is another problem because the rich do not pay their employees a living wage. Most hard working employees do not want gov assistance, but they have to get it because the rich do not pay them a living wage.  

 

 

 The factory worker will probably want to quit and have an easier "hard working" job if he will be paid the same.   Again, I do not pay my employees minimum wage.  I think they put in more effort than the kid at McDonalds flipping burgers; thus, they make anywhere from $1.00 to 2.00 more per hour.  

 

Today, I know factory workers that earn just one dollar or two dollars more than 7.25. 1 dollar more = 40 dollars more a week, that is a lot of money to people that live in poverty. 

 

So if McDonalds pays its employees a living wage, factories will have to pay their employees a little more.  

 

What about illegal immigrants? The Church says, "The February 28 Deseret News editorial, "A Model For The Nation" also accurately reflects the position of the Church regarding immigration reform, including measures that will allow those who are now here illegally to work legally, provide for their families and become better contributing members of our community—but without establishing a path to citizenship or granting amnesty."

http://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/immigration-response

 

 

Let's start off with your question of "what would Jesus do?"    Well, if I went to my employees and gave them blessings, because Jesus didn't play the role of employer,  instead of a paycheck, they would probably crucify me.  Jesus played an unmatchable role in the history of life that no man can match.   But I have a roll that is different as do many business owners. 

 

That did not answer my question, some people are reading what you write, I understand it must be a very hard question for you.  

[sdc999]

sdc999, I think you're missing the point. There comes a point when a rich person has too much money and that point is when they have so much more than they need. And instead of just hoarding it they should give the excess to others who don't have as much as they need. And they are free to pick any person they want to help, as long as they pick someone other than another rich person who also has more than they need.

Money needs to be distributed to people who really need it so they can also get what they need rather than just it just being accumulated by rich people.

What would then be the incentive for someone to improve themselves if they are just waiting around for somebody else to do the work so they can receive a free handout?  This is very similar to Socialist grade experiment.  Look it up if you are not familiar with it.   Those that worked the least were rewarded by those that worked the hardest.  Once the middle guys saw they could be rewarded if they didn't work as hard..... well.  The hardest workers then decided that, why should they work as hard just to have to give it away.  The whole system would collapse on itself.

 If you get into accusing rich people of not giving enough or caring enough, then you're going to get Mormon Free Thinker angry because you are "judging" the rich people as to their motives.  You don't know their situation.   He doesn't like judging.  

[MormonFreeThinker]

2 Nephi 9:30 30 But wo unto the rich, who are rich as to the things of the world. For because they are rich they despise the poor, and they persecute the meek, and their hearts are upon their treasures; wherefore, their treasure is their god. And behold, their treasure shall perish with them also.

[MormonFreeThinker]

Proverbs 22:16  He that oppresseth the poor to increase his riches, and he that giveth to the rich, shall surely come to want

[sdc999]

MFT,

 

Your lack of understanding of basic business is  starting to amuse me.  Yes, there are some companies who could afford to pay more.  But at what cost?   How would you go about attracting investors to start a new business?  Invest in my company.  I'm going to  pay the employees really well, which will in turn, reduce your ROI (return on Investment).  That's incentive.   Or, for a publicly traded company the same.  Investors would begin to jump ship as they saw weaker P&L statements, thus driving the stock price down and devaluing the company. (this would probably not occur with a 1 or 2$ raise, but if you went from $9 to $15, I'm betting it would)

You want people to have a better wage?  Tell them to go work on the pipeline where a welder's helper can earn $1000 week.  They are in demand.  Mike Rowe harps on unfilled, high paying jobs weekly because nobody wants to do the "dirty work."  Thousands of unfilled jobs.  Take a look at his website.  Move to Alaska and work in the oil fields.   Not glamorous, pretty darn cold - but what a paycheck.   Trucking companies are always hiring and pay a decent "living wage" as you call it.  Again, not glamorous and sometimes tedious.  Dow Chemical has a training class for 'operators' at their plants.  If you pass through there training class, which isn't hard - a nice paying job awaits.    

Jobs are available for those that are willing to relocate and redirect.  

[sdc999]

MFT,

No, I guess I still haven't answered your question to your liking.  What would Jesus do?  It was his Job to tell us what to do... He's got that covered.  You don't need to keep standing up on your soap box screaming behind Jesus.  "yeah, what he said"  Get down off the soap box and do it versus just talking about it.  Start giving your money away.  Hire people for more money.   Give that living wage to someone.  You do have that ability, right?  Or are you on the other end with your hand out begging for more?  Not judging, whoa is me.  just asking.

[MormonFreeThinker]

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Edited November 4, 2014 by MormonFreeThinker

[Sleeper Cell]

Walmart is loosing money while Costco is making money.

 

If so, isn’t this evidence that the free market punishes companies for not paying a “living wage?”  

[sdc999]

 

 

 

Do you know more than Mitt Romney? Please see the video. I am open minded, so what do you think about it?

I am really starting to think you have a crush on Mittens.  

[MormonFreeThinker]

MFT,

No, I guess I still haven't answered your question to your liking.  What would Jesus do?  It was his Job to tell us what to do... He's got that covered.  You don't need to keep standing up on your soap box screaming behind Jesus.  "yeah, what he said"  Get down off the soap box and do it versus just talking about it.  Start giving your money away.  Hire people for more money.   Give that living wage to someone.  You do have that ability, right?  Or are you on the other end with your hand out begging for more?  Not judging, whoa is me.  just asking.

 

President Hunter said, "Let us follow the Son of God in all ways and in all walks of life. Let us make him our exemplar and our guide. We should at every opportunity ask ourselves, “What would Jesus do?” and then be more courageous to act upon the answer. We must follow Christ, in the best sense of that word" 

https://www.lds.org/general-conference/1994/04/what-manner-of-men-ought-ye-to-be?lang=eng

 

 

Jobs are available for those that are willing to relocate and redirect.  

 

Not everybody can do that, you do not know the circumstances of everybody. Please see the video and respond to my points below.

If all hard workers had that opportunity, most of them would do it, but then there would be no responsible hard workers at Mcdonalds or Walmart. 

 

What if you are wrong? Are you open to the possibility of being wrong? I am. 

 

 

I know a couple who "received" a better life through inheritance and gov't assistance but I know others who worked for and achieved a better life through perseverance, never give up attitude and a willingness to adapt and overcome.  Some had to move their families to where the jobs were, some altered their career path.

 

Again, just because some do it, it doesn't mean everybody can do it. It depends on their circumstances and chance.

How can poor single mothers do it? How can they afford college? How can a person with learning disadvantages and poor skills do it?  How do single Mothers that do not have a high school education move to another area?  

 

What about illegal immigrants? The Church says, "The February 28 Deseret News editorial, "A Model For The Nation" also accurately reflects the position of the Church regarding immigration reform, including measures that will allow those who are now here illegally to work legally, provide for their families and become better contributing members of our community—but without establishing a path to citizenship or granting amnesty."

http://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/immigration-response

 

 

 

A living wage is owed to me..blah blah

 

 A living wage is not a lot of money. A living wage is the amount necessary to survive. A living wage is having enough to pay the bills (water), the rent (small apartment), and the food. A person with a living wage cannot afford a 2014 car. I am sorry but many people do not have anywhere else to go. 

 

Many factory jobs are very tough, workers do far more than their bosses. 

 

 

  With a divorce rate hovering in the 50% range these days, it doesn't seem commitment is a priority to most.  Why not set yourself up to be successful prior to having children or a marriage?  

 

Let me remind you what Elder Holland said, "Perhaps some have created their own difficulties, but don’t the rest of us do exactly the same thing? Isn’t that why this compassionate ruler asks, “Are we not all beggars?” Don’t we all cry out for help and hope and answers to prayers? Don’t we all beg for forgiveness for mistakes we have made and troubles we have caused?" 

https://www.lds.org/general-conference/2014/10/are-we-not-all-beggars?lang=eng

 

 

 a living wage = a living wage, then by your definition they should both be paid the same irregardless of the skill required.  The factory worker will probably want to quit and have an easier "hard working" job if he will be paid the same.   

 

Today, I know factory workers that earn just one dollar or two dollars more than 7.25. 1 dollar more = 40 dollars more a week, that is a lot of money to people that live in poverty. Some factory workers do not know English. 

 

If McDonalds pays its employees a living wage, factories will have to pay their employees a little more.  

 

7.25 is not a living wage, many people cannot survive without having 3 jobs. 

 

 

Divorce is the real culprit here. I would applaud a greater scrutiny of the divorce and child support laws

 

There are cases where child support is not available.  

 

“There is a great deal of chance or serendipity or even luck to success in business, in politics, in science, in academics, in investments, in winning and losing.” - Mitt Romney

 

That good thing is that most people agree that all hard workers deserve a living wage. 

Edited November 4, 2014 by MormonFreeThinker

[Sleeper Cell]

Because a large number of customers do not have the money to buy stuff that is made in the USA, they can only afford stuff that comes from China. 

 

And a large number of customers who do have the money to buy stuff made in the USA also prefer to shop for the lowest price.  In my experience, the cars in the Walmart parking lot are not noticeably less expensive than those in the parking lots of unionized stores.  

 

Again, the rich like Walmart should help the poor, they can easily increase the cost of their products by 2 percent so they can pay their employees a  living wage. 

According to TSS, Walmart is losing money.  

 

Would you be OK with Walmart following the example of some of the “living wage” stores by replacing some of their workers with  self-service check out lines -- as long as they used the money saved to give a raise to their remaining employees?   

[MormonFreeThinker]

And a large number of customers who do have the money to buy stuff made in the USA also prefer to shop for the lowest price.  In my experience, the cars in the Walmart parking lot are not noticeably less expensive than those in the parking lots of unionized stores.  

 

CFR

Edited November 4, 2014 by MormonFreeThinker

[Sleeper Cell]

CFR

 

 

What part of the phrase “in my experience” don’t you understand? 

[MormonFreeThinker]

My main argument summarized 

 

The Scriptures teach that the rich need to help the poor.  The rich should give their poor employees a living wage, that is the best method for them to help the poor.  A living wage is having enough money for the rent (small apartment), the bills (water), and food. 

 

7.25 an hour is not enough for food, water, and rent. 

 

Elder Holland said, "For one thing, we can, as King Benjamin taught, cease withholding our means because we see the poor as having brought their misery upon themselves. Perhaps some have created their own difficulties, but don’t the rest of us do exactly the same thing? Isn’t that why this compassionate ruler asks, “Are we not all beggars?”" 

https://www.lds.org/general-conference/2014/10/are-we-not-all-beggars?lang=eng

[sdc999]

 

 

What part of the phrase “in my experience” don’t you understand? 

 

I would imagine the whole phrase from my experience in recent exchanges.

[sdc999]

My main argument summarized 

 

The Scriptures teach that the rich need to help the poor.  The rich should give their poor employees a living wage, that is the best method for them to help the poor.  A living wage is having enough money for the rent (small apartment), the bills (water), and food. 

 

 

https://www.lds.org/general-conference/2014/10/are-we-not-all-beggars?lang=eng

 

That is an opinion.    And with that opinion, you just blew the whole, "Give a man a fish and you'll feed him for a day, but teach a man to fish and you'll feed him for a lifetime" quote.    

Why not educate and train an employee to get better in order to assume more responsibilities?  Thus, increased responsibilities  would probably include more pay.  And a better educated/trained person, is more marketable person.  Wow, now we have to ability to go elsewhere and seek better employment.  

If you keep a person in one position with incremental pay increases just to keep up with the "living wage" as you put it, how does that individual ever have the chance to better himself? He doesn't.  You can't have a chance to break the poverty barrier if you are not in a position to market your skills elsewhere. 

Or, on the flip side.  You just succeeded in defending slavery. (minus the beatings).  The masters put a roof over their heads, fed them and they didn't have to worry about the bills.    Now, they were hard working and their basic needs were met.  Slaves were uneducated and did not know any other way.   So, unless an further skills/education come with that living stipend you wish for them (workers) to be handed, they will always remain a slave to that company.  So go out and help someone gain knowledge, don't just give them a handout. 

[The Nehor]

What would then be the incentive for someone to improve themselves if they are just waiting around for somebody else to do the work so they can receive a free handout?  This is very similar to Socialist grade experiment.  Look it up if you are not familiar with it.   Those that worked the least were rewarded by those that worked the hardest.  Once the middle guys saw they could be rewarded if they didn't work as hard..... well.  The hardest workers then decided that, why should they work as hard just to have to give it away.  The whole system would collapse on itself.

 If you get into accusing rich people of not giving enough or caring enough, then you're going to get Mormon Free Thinker angry because you are "judging" the rich people as to their motives.  You don't know their situation.   He doesn't like judging.

This assumes that the only reason to improve oneself is for monetary gain. I am not sure why this is assumed. It seems such a paltry and pathetic reason. Most of the self-improvement I do has no potential to increase my earning power but I do it anyways. So do most people.

[sdc999]

This assumes that the only reason to improve oneself is for monetary gain. I am not sure why this is assumed. It seems such a paltry and pathetic reason. Most of the self-improvement I do has no potential to increase my earning power but I do it anyways. So do most people.

Then let me rephrase:  I am fairly certain there are a number of people that would remain idle and not provide for themselves or their family if they knew a safety valve was in place to fill the void.   A la, if the law of the land is that a rich person should share his money with a poor person, there will be many willing to fill the role of the poor person knowing that, in the end, their needs would be met.   Thus, no incentive to provide for themselves.   That sounds a lot like welfare today.  

 

To add:  may I presume your self improvement is for your own benefit and you are financially okay?  IMO, I don't see a lot of poor people in need seeking self improvement on the side for kicks and grins without financial reward.    

Edited November 4, 2014 by sdc999

[The Nehor]

Then let me rephrase:  I am fairly certain there are a number of people that would remain idle and not provide for themselves or their family if they knew a safety valve was in place to fill the void.   A la, if the law of the land is that a rich person should share his money with a poor person, there will be many willing to fill the role of the poor person knowing that, in the end, their needs would be met.   Thus, no incentive to provide for themselves.   That sounds a lot like welfare today.

If you are talking about welfare in the US then it is very difficult to be on extended welfare that will provide a decent standard of living without resorting to fraud (or being legitimately disabled). Of course there are people who would do nothing. They do nothing even without the safety net.

I support most of the government welfare system we have now but I am not proposing we provide enough for a middle class lifestyle to everyone who does not work. I do think we should feed and clothe everyone regardless of what they do.

Do all people who hate welfare hate their job so much that they would quit if it did not mean starvation? It seems they almost envy the poor and covet what they have as if it was stolen from them.

[sdc999]

If you are talking about welfare in the US then it is very difficult to be on extended welfare that will provide a decent standard of living without resorting to fraud (or being legitimately disabled). Of course there are people who would do nothing. They do nothing even without the safety net.

I support most of the government welfare system we have now but I am not proposing we provide enough for a middle class lifestyle to everyone who does not work. I do think we should feed and clothe everyone regardless of what they do.

Do all people who hate welfare hate their job so much that they would quit if it did not mean starvation? It seems they almost envy the poor and covet what they have as if it was stolen from them.

I've mentioned this in posts before.   I am not against helping someone who is down on their luck and trying to get back up.  I have done so in the past and be willing to do it again.  What I am against is people coming into my business, knowing (this is key) when I'm not hiring, and asking for me to sign their sheet saying that they have inquired to maintain their unemployment status.  Some are even so bold as to say that is exactly what they are doing.  Some call on the phone and state right off the bat that they have to have three companies to put down and could they put mine as one.  Those are lazy humans who should have benefits stripped away because I do view that as a form of stealing.   I did offer one guy a job even though I didn't have one available (and I would have paid him and kept him).  He couldn't get out of my store fast enough.  Not sure he listed me. 

[The Nehor]

I've mentioned this in posts before.   I am not against helping someone who is down on their luck and trying to get back up.  I have done so in the past and be willing to do it again.  What I am against is people coming into my business, knowing (this is key) when I'm not hiring, and asking for me to sign their sheet saying that they have inquired to maintain their unemployment status.  Some are even so bold as to say that is exactly what they are doing.  Some call on the phone and state right off the bat that they have to have three companies to put down and could they put mine as one.  Those are lazy humans who should have benefits stripped away because I do view that as a form of stealing.   I did offer one guy a job even though I didn't have one available (and I would have paid him and kept him).  He couldn't get out of my store fast enough.  Not sure he listed me.

And if states would get rid of these ridiculous reporting requirements they would leave you alone. These benefits are almost always limited by time so why does the state need to force people through the humiliation of asking people to sign a form showing they applied when doing so is likely to help people not get hired.

[MormonFreeThinker]

That is an opinion.    And with that opinion, you just blew the whole, "Give a man a fish and you'll feed him for a day, but teach a man to fish and you'll feed him for a lifetime" quote.    

Why not educate and train an employee to get better in order to assume more responsibilities?  Thus, increased responsibilities  would probably include more pay.  And a better educated/trained person, is more marketable person.  Wow, now we have to ability to go elsewhere and seek better employment.  

If you keep a person in one position with incremental pay increases just to keep up with the "living wage" as you put it, how does that individual ever have the chance to better himself? He doesn't.  You can't have a chance to break the poverty barrier if you are not in a position to market your skills elsewhere. 

Or, on the flip side.  You just succeeded in defending slavery. (minus the beatings).  The masters put a roof over their heads, fed them and they didn't have to worry about the bills.    Now, they were hard working and their basic needs were met.  Slaves were uneducated and did not know any other way.   So, unless an further skills/education come with that living stipend you wish for them (workers) to be handed, they will always remain a slave to that company.  So go out and help someone gain knowledge, don't just give them a handout. 

 

Please do not keep ignoring my points, please read post 162 and please give a reasonable response. No red herring.

 

We need factory workers that have experience, We need sales associates with experience. There is a reason why companies want workers that have years of experience. Can you imagine a factory without experienced workers? Can you imagine a Costco without any experienced employees? In fact, today it is hard to find a job without experience. A Walmart supervisor only makes about 9 to 10 dollars an hour. Hard workers deserve enough money to eat. 7.25 an hour is not enough for the food, unless you work 70 hours a week in 3 jobs (no overtime in a job). See post 162 for the other points. 

 

There is a reason why most economists agree that all hard workers deserve a living wage.

 

Matthew 25:35-40 NIV

35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’ 37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’ 40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’

Edited November 4, 2014 by MormonFreeThinker

[sdc999]

Please do not keep ignoring my points, please read post 162 and please give a reasonable response. No red herring.

 

We need factory workers that have experience, We need sales associates with experience. There is a reason why companies want workers that have years of experience. Can you imagine a factory without experienced workers? Can you imagine a Costco without any experienced employees? In fact, today it is hard to find a job without experience. A Walmart supervisor only makes about 9 to 10 dollars an hour. Hard workers deserve enough money to eat. 7.25 an hour is not enough for the food, unless you work 70 hours a week in 3 jobs (no overtime in a job). See post 162 for the other points. 

 

There is a reason why most economists agree that all hard workers deserve a living wage.

 

Matthew 25:35-40 NIV

35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’ 37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’ 40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’

Well, you have convinced me.  I'm putting you down as a write-in today on the ballot because you have all the answers.  You have none of the solutions to accomplish your answers but let's not let that get in the way.   My children once argued this way too.  Why can't we buy it Dad?  Just give them that plastic thing in your wallet.        Just pay them $5 more per hour  boss.  Just put it on that piece of paper you give them every week.  There has to be financial responsibility and your solution puts almost every mom and pop shop out of business.  No- you say.  Yes, I have read over and over that the rich bosses should be required to do this, not the small businesses.   Well, let's say two similar businesses are in town.  One owned by rich man (a) and the other by mom and pop (b).   a pays his employees $15/hr because he has plenty of money to back it up.  b only pays $8/hr because that's what keeps their head above water.   Why would any sane person want to work the same job for $7 less per hour.  They would complain non stop to mom and pop and probably quit or do very sub-par work.  mom and pop would go out of business and there would be more unemployment.  a doesn't need their help because he is clicking right along.  

The only reasonable response you are looking for is someone to say you are right.