Civil Disobedience

[Analytics]

Here is a case study in civil disobedience.  King Noah ruled over God’s people (Mosiah 12:1).  A council of priests were leaders over God’s people.  Alma the Elder was one of those priests, and later baptized, presumably with the priesthood authority he had as one of those priests.

 

When God had a message for his people, he didn’t go through the proper channels and talk to the head priest.  Rather, he went to an outsider named Abinadi.  King Noah’s response to Abinadi sounds a lot like the church’s response to OW: “Who is Kate Kelly, that that I and my people should be judged of her?  I command you to bring Kate Kelly hither, that I may excommunicate her, for she has said these things that she may stir up my people to anger one with another, and to raise contentions among my people; therefore I will excommunicate her.” (compare Mosiah 11:27-28)

[Freedom]

Here is a case study in civil disobedience.  King Noah ruled over God’s people (Mosiah 12:1).  A council of priests were leaders over God’s people.  Alma the Elder was one of those priests, and later baptized, presumably with the priesthood authority he had as one of those priests.

 

When God had a message for his people, he didn’t go through the proper channels and talk to the head priest.  Rather, he went to an outsider named Abinadi.  King Noah’s response to Abinadi sounds a lot like the church’s response to OW: “Who is Kate Kelly, that that I and my people should be judged of her?  I command you to bring Kate Kelly hither, that I may excommunicate her, for she has said these things that she may stir up my people to anger one with another, and to raise contentions among my people; therefore I will excommunicate her.” (compare Mosiah 11:27-28)

You are missing a key point - the church isn't corrupt and wicked with its leaders living in luxury. You are making a ridiculous caricature of what transpired. 

[Brian 2.0]

You are missing a key point - the church isn't corrupt and wicked with its leaders living in luxury. You are making a ridiculous caricature of what transpired.

The interesting question though is can the church in these latter days become prideful/corrupt/prejudice/etc to the extent that God inspires an outside voice to call it to repentance a la Abinidi or Samuel the Lamanite.

[USU78]

The interesting question though is can the church in these latter days become prideful/corrupt/prejudice/etc to the extent that God inspires an outside voice to call it to repentance a la Abinidi or Samuel the Lamanite.

 

Cannot recall what the political situation was vis-a-vis the Church when Samuel received his call, but with Abinadi, the hypertaxing hedonist King Noah had appointed priests as part of his governing council who were of like mind with him.  To the extent Noah had authority to appoint priests [and presumably teachers as Nephi had done], he and they lost all authority through unrighteous dominion [see D&C 121], whereupon G-d calls somebody outside the chain of command to call the people as a whole to repentance.

 

This seems a situation similar to that encountered by Abram before the exodus from Ur to Haran and Samuel at Shiloh:  there were no more righteous priests inside the then existing priesthood structure that G-d could rely on, so He called His own prophet to rebuild what had been broken.

 

If you take the position that the folks at 50 E North Temple are now of a kind w/ Noah and his priestly council, then one could certainly expect an Abraham or a Samuel or the other Samuel to arise who was equal to the task of cleaning house.  I myself see no particular evidence of any such thing and would demand of such a person what evidence he has to support his thesis.

[The Nehor]

Here is a case study in civil disobedience.  King Noah ruled over God’s people (Mosiah 12:1).  A council of priests were leaders over God’s people.  Alma the Elder was one of those priests, and later baptized, presumably with the priesthood authority he had as one of those priests.

 

When God had a message for his people, he didn’t go through the proper channels and talk to the head priest.  Rather, he went to an outsider named Abinadi.  King Noah’s response to Abinadi sounds a lot like the church’s response to OW: “Who is Kate Kelly, that that I and my people should be judged of her?  I command you to bring Kate Kelly hither, that I may excommunicate her, for she has said these things that she may stir up my people to anger one with another, and to raise contentions among my people; therefore I will excommunicate her.” (compare Mosiah 11:27-28)

 

When the apostles are blatantly breaking the commandments like Noah and his priests were and encouraging others to do the same I will be receptive to an outside voice. When the best Kate Kelly can muster is a vague insinuation that the apostles are not praying enough about her pet gospel hobby I will support excommunication which the Book of Mormon also teaches.

[thesometimesaint]

The answer is Agency.

1. Maybe. If you believe in it stay. If you don't leave. Just be willing to accept the consequences.

2. No. If you believe it stay. If you don't leave. Just be willing to accept the consequences.