EllenMaksoud Posted May 25, 2013 Posted May 25, 2013 Has anyone here received the second Comforter? I am waiting to see where this one goes. I have never heard of the "second comforter", and wonder how it could have been missed?
The Nehor Posted May 25, 2013 Posted May 25, 2013 Has anyone here received the second Comforter?If they have they will not tell you. 2
tyler90az Posted May 25, 2013 Posted May 25, 2013 Has anyone here received the second Comforter?Not I
changed Posted May 25, 2013 Posted May 25, 2013 I am waiting to see where this one goes. I have never heard of the "second comforter", and wonder how it could have been missed?http://www.lds.org/scriptures/gs/comforter?lang=eng
SamIam Posted May 25, 2013 Posted May 25, 2013 Has anyone here received the second Comforter?Why would you ask this question in a public forum. It's like you have no sense of the sacred and you profane the concept with your casual selection of today's topic from your smorgasbord of sensational gospel concepts that will forever evade your understanding for your failure to grasp correct principles of knowledge, wisdom and understanding. Do us all a favor and close the thread...it is inappropriate on all levels.
Robert F. Smith Posted May 25, 2013 Posted May 25, 2013 There is nothing verboten or unmentionable about it -- if you have been baptized and confirmed a member of the LDS Church, you have received the "Second Comforter," who is the Holy Ghost, who is often called the Paraclete. But what is a paraclete?The phrase in Greek ('allon parakleton) is translated in various ways, and it can be confusing: John 14:16 "I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter" (KJV; "Segond Consolateur" [German Luther Bible revised]; "another Counselor" [RSV, NIV]; "another Advocate" [JB, NRSV, SV]; "another Helper" [TEV]; "another to be your Advocate" [NEB, REB]; "another Paraclete" [NAB, see note: "Jesus is the first Paraclete" in I John 2:1]. In other words, Jesus is the "first counselor," and the Holy Spirit is the "second counselor."For the rich OT context, see R. N. Whybray, The Heavenly Counsellor in Isaiah xl 13-14 (Cambridge Univ., 1971). 1
SamIam Posted May 25, 2013 Posted May 25, 2013 (edited) There is nothing verboten or unmentionable about it -- if you have been baptized and confirmed a member of the LDS Church, you have received the "Second Comforter," who is the Holy Ghost, who is often called the Paraclete. But what is a paraclete?The phrase in Greek ('allon parakleton) is translated in various ways, and it can be confusing: John 14:16 "I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter" (KJV; "Segond Consolateur" [German Luther Bible revised]; "another Counselor" [RSV, NIV]; "another Advocate" [JB, NRSV, SV]; "another Helper" [TEV]; "another to be your Advocate" [NEB, REB]; "another Paraclete" [NAB, see note: "Jesus is the first Paraclete" in I John 2:1]. In other words, Jesus is the "first counselor," and the Holy Spirit is the "second counselor."For the rich OT context, see R. N. Whybray, The Heavenly Counsellor in Isaiah xl 13-14 (Cambridge Univ., 1971).Independent of your explanation above, I am positive that you are far too well read to miss the intent of the OP question which is to inquire concerning this observation by Joseph Smith:The other Comforter spoken of is a subject of great interest, and perhaps understood by few of this generation. After a person has faith in Christ, repents of his sins, and is baptized for the remission of his sins and receives the Holy Ghost, (by the laying on of hands), which is the first Comforter, then let him continue to humble himself before God, hungering and thirsting after righteousness, and living by every word of God, and the Lord will soon say unto him, Son, thou shalt be exalted. When the Lord has thoroughly proved him, and finds that the man is determined to serve him at all hazards, then the man will find his calling and his election made sure, then it will be his privilege to receive the other Comforter, which the Lord hath promised the Saints, as is recorded in the testimony of St. John, in the 14th chapter, from the 14th to the 27th verses.Note the 16, 17, 18, 21, 23 verses:"16. And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you forever;"17. Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him; but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you."18. I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you. . . ."21. He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him. . . ."23. If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him."Now what is this other Comforter? It is no more nor less than the Lord Jesus Christ himself; and this is the sum and substance of the whole matter; that when any man obtains this last Comforter, he will have the personage of Jesus Christ to attend him, or appear unto him from time to time, and even he will manifest the Father unto him, and they will take up their abode with him, and the visions of the heavens will be opened unto him, and the Lord will teach him face to face, and he may have a perfect knowledge of the mysteries of the kingdom of God; and this is the state and place the ancient Saints arrived at when they had such glorious visions—Isaiah, Ezekiel, John upon the Isle of Patmos, Paul in the three heavens, and all the Saints who held communion with the general assembly and Church of the First Born. (HC 3:380-81.)Nonetheless, were the topic of the OP "can we discuss the Second Comforter", surely there would be no concern over such a conversation. However, to ask for a breech of the integrity required of those that have had this experience by asking outright concerning it's specific occurrence in an individuals life trivializes and demeans the sacred nature of the experience and illustrates a complete lack of spiritual maturity concerning sacred events. This, then becomes my objection to the specific nature of the OP.One of the characteristics, I have observed in the scriptural prophets and modern day prophets is there is never a sense of casual in their treatment of the things of God. Speaking generally and not specifically to your material, the ideal standard of contemporary intellectual efforts is the sterile treatment of all aspects of a subject with the clinical approach that illustrates our "maturity" in being able to address any aspect of any subject within all boundaries that can apply. Somehow, by using respectful tones and language composition that appears to favor a learned approach, we in many cases loose the sensitivity of what is and what is not appropriate. This tendency has become common place now, particularly on forums such as MDD, so that we deceive ourselves in thinking that any intellectual treatment of a subject is laudable and to be encouraged. For personal reasons, I have determined that, though it places me on the outside looking in from time to time, I wanted to cultivate the sense of what I perceive to be sacred to God as being sacred to me as well. Thus I find the OP question which would only barely, possibly be appropriate in the most rare of circumstances at the bidding of the spirit in a private circumstance, to be completely and totally out of bounds in a public forum such as this. For the owner of the OP's own benefit I speak as I do. The only hope the questioner ever has of really understanding the experience for him or herself is first to recognize that while we see through a glass darkly if you are going to pound on it with a sledge hammer it just gets boarded up with plywood so you can't see anything at all. Edited May 25, 2013 by SamIam
changed Posted May 25, 2013 Posted May 25, 2013 (edited) Why would you ask this question in a public forum.I don't think it's inappropriate, if youlisten to General Conference, many there have stated publically that they have recieved the second comforter - ie - they are a witness of Christ.Packer has received it: http://www.lds.org/g...record?lang=eng"I declare to you that I know that Jesus is the Christ. I know that he lives. He was born in the meridian of time. He taught his gospel, was tried, was crucified. He rose on the third day. He was the first fruits of the resurrection. He has a body of flesh and bone. Of this I bear testimony. Of him I am a witness. In the name of Jesus Christ. Amen."Eyring has recieved it: http://www.lds.org/g...nto-me?lang=eng"I am a witness of the Resurrection of the Lord as surely as if I had been there in the evening with the two disciples in the house on Emmaus road. I know that He lives as surely as did Joseph Smith when he saw the Father and the Son in the light of a brilliant morning in a grove of trees in Palmyra."Richard G Scott has recieved it:http://www.lds.org/g...f-need?lang=eng"This is the work of the Lord. Jesus Christ lives. This is His Church. I am a witness of Him and of His Atonement, which is the foundation that makes effective and lasting every ordinance performed in the temples. I so testify with every capacity I possess, in the name of Jesus Christ, amen."etc. etc.Just got to LDS.org, search for the phrase "I am a witness" in GC talks, and you will see quite a few people who have publically proclaimed what they know. Edited May 25, 2013 by changed
Senator Posted May 25, 2013 Posted May 25, 2013 I do not think there is anything profane in simply declaring that one has experienced this particular thing. Unless of course they have been commanded not to speak of it. The only way we know that people have ever communed with Deity is because they have published it. I think it is actually beneficial for the faithful to hear of such things, that it is actually happening in there time. Otherwise, it can become a thing of folklore, legend or even myth. 2
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