Bikeemikey Posted October 21, 2012 Posted October 21, 2012 "Children are the heritage of The Lord" (Proverbs) It is a sin not to have them when you can.I like that quote. It is however not a commandment... As a heritage of The Lord prudence would suggest we should be balanced, reasonable and prayerful when considering if we should have children - anything less would be a sin by refusing to treat the heritage of The Lord with the respect it deserves.
Nathair/|\ Posted October 22, 2012 Posted October 22, 2012 Man is nothing, although most think they are something! 4 What is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that thou visitest him? 5 For thou hast made him a little lower than the gods, and hast crowned him with glory and honour. Psalm 8:4-5 6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High. Psalm 82:6
Nathair/|\ Posted October 22, 2012 Posted October 22, 2012 Here's the real test. Pick any time period in the history of the United States during which you "think things were better".Then, pretend that you were going to be transported back to that time, but you couldn't pick the state or city.Then, pretend that you were going to be a different person, with at least four of these characteristics:- poor- woman- black or other minority- diabetic or asthmatic- under 18- non-Protestant religionWhat are the odds that you would end up in a situation better than that same person today?I wouldn't mind being mildly autistic the way I am in a pre-modern society where I could be a Shaman or something.
volgadon Posted October 22, 2012 Posted October 22, 2012 I wouldn't mind being mildly autistic the way I am in a pre-modern society where I could be a Shaman or something.Like the so-called Holy Fools in Russia, who were a Christian manifestation of shamanism.
Nathair/|\ Posted October 22, 2012 Posted October 22, 2012 Like the so-called Holy Fools in Russia, who were a Christian manifestation of shamanism.Yep. I love all kinds of Sacred Clowns.
volgadon Posted October 22, 2012 Posted October 22, 2012 Yep. I love all kinds of Sacred Clowns.This is a pretty amazing (though tragic) old film about how the old beliefs, the pre-Christian beliefs, kept resurfacing in the lives of the Carpathian mountaineers. Only a few minutes into the film, there is a scene with a group of holy fools/sacred clowns outside the wooden church. Later on, one of the main characters is a malfar, that is, a shaman or witch doctor.
Nathair/|\ Posted October 22, 2012 Posted October 22, 2012 This is a pretty amazing (though tragic) old film about how the old beliefs, the pre-Christian beliefs, kept resurfacing in the lives of the Carpathian mountaineers. Only a few minutes into the film, there is a scene with a group of holy fools/sacred clowns outside the wooden church. Later on, one of the main characters is a malfar, that is, a shaman or witch doctor.[media=] Thank you for posting that.
DH Posted October 22, 2012 Posted October 22, 2012 (edited) As a general rule, I think marriage and children are good for people. However, there may be some people who would do well to think twice before getting married or having children until they are in a position to be a good spouse or parent. For example, if a pair of sixteen-year-olds are in love with each other, I would recommend they wait at least a couple of years before getting married. Or if someone doesn't have a job and can't provide, I'd suggest they get a job before having kids. Or if a person is mentally unstable, it might be better they not have children.Today's world has challenges that previous generations didn't face, but there are also things that are good or better than in the past. I don't subscribe to the "doom and gloom" mindset, and if I remember correctly, we've been told by Church leaders that things are going to be okay, and not to worry overmuch. If you ask me, maintaining a positive attitude can help make the world a better place in actuality, while its opposite can make things worse. Edited October 22, 2012 by DH
AddamS Posted October 24, 2012 Posted October 24, 2012 Yes. People use their agency to either respect or disrespect many things, including God's will. Haven't you noticed?You specifically say "As if they should be able to...."My response was indicating they should be able to.Not to be confused with saying "they shoud"
Rivers Posted October 24, 2012 Posted October 24, 2012 (edited) You'll be happy to hear that the "razor blade in the apples" stories were just urban legends.But that still doesn't stop me from going to Safeway every October 31 to buy a bag of apples and a box of razor blades, just to see the look on the cashier's face.Isn't there a scriptue somewhere about avoiding the appearance of evil? Edited October 24, 2012 by Rivers
Rivers Posted October 24, 2012 Posted October 24, 2012 As a general rule, I think marriage and children are good for people. However, there may be some people who would do well to think twice before getting married or having children until they are in a position to be a good spouse or parent. For example, if a pair of sixteen-year-olds are in love with each other, I would recommend they wait at least a couple of years before getting married. Or if someone doesn't have a job and can't provide, I'd suggest they get a job before having kids. Or if a person is mentally unstable, it might be better they not have children.Today's world has challenges that previous generations didn't face, but there are also things that are good or better than in the past. I don't subscribe to the "doom and gloom" mindset, and if I remember correctly, we've been told by Church leaders that things are going to be okay, and not to worry overmuch. If you ask me, maintaining a positive attitude can help make the world a better place in actuality, while its opposite can make things worse.Yet the general authorites seem to spend a lot of time talking about how bad the world is in general conference.
Walden Posted October 24, 2012 Posted October 24, 2012 Yet the general authorites seem to spend a lot of time talking about how bad the world is in general conference.Because if they (religious leaders in general) talked about how wonderful the world is, there would be less need for redemption, and thus, less need for church, and thus, diminished numbers in church.Just as the media people have figured out that fear is the greatest motivator, and thus they over-hype the scary/fearful stories to increase viewership, religious leaders had this figured out long ago. Thus the call from religious leaders, for about the last few thousand years, that "the end is near."Fear fills pews on Sundays.
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