happy Posted August 21, 2012 Author Posted August 21, 2012 You are confusing 'scientific community' with 'scientific method'. This is like saying 'doctor' and 'antibiotics' is synonymous. Perhaps you could provide an example of a peer reviewed scientific journal that oppresses the truth through controlled experiments so that we are not inclined to simply dismiss your comment as the ramblings of a radical conspiracy theorist. It almost appears that you are suggesting we put a stop to all academic pursuits because there may be some who have questionable motives. Do you have another suggestion on how we might better understand the world around us?I think we are coming to an impasse. Once we have to resort to insults, it is time to part ways.
Freedom Posted August 21, 2012 Posted August 21, 2012 There is that concept I see so often. If one disagrees, it is because one is dumb, ignorant, unintelligent, or unschooled. It's a most curious of responses.Well then stop treating me as dumb, ignorant, unintelligent, or unschooled. Your common response is to claim the victim. You started this discussion, provide some evidence for your position. So far all you have done is insult people who disagree with you.
Freedom Posted August 21, 2012 Posted August 21, 2012 I think we are coming to an impasse. Once we have to resort to insults, it is time to part ways.So, in other words you do not have any other solutions, nor do you have any evidence to support your accusations. If you don't want to be challenged by your claims, don't post them. Once you put it out there, you have to be prepared to back them up. That the whole point of this forum.
happy Posted August 21, 2012 Author Posted August 21, 2012 Well then stop treating me as dumb, ignorant, unintelligent, or unschooled. Your common response is to claim the victim. You started this discussion, provide some evidence for your position. So far all you have done is insult people who disagree with you.CFR
Freedom Posted August 21, 2012 Posted August 21, 2012 Happy, the church's position used to be that homosexuality was a sin and was caused by either neglect or looking at pornographic material. The church now acknowledges that homosexuality is not a learned behavior and is not a sin. This is a significant change.
Freedom Posted August 21, 2012 Posted August 21, 2012 CFRI am not going to play this game with you. Address the issues in the thread and stop throwing accusations at others.
happy Posted August 21, 2012 Author Posted August 21, 2012 I am not going to play this game with you. Address the issues in the thread and stop throwing accusations at others.CFR that I have ever accused you of anything or insulted you. You made an accusation of me and I am calling you out.
mfbukowski Posted August 21, 2012 Posted August 21, 2012 I would humbly propose that this way of thinking has much to be learned from.In Buber's adaptation:A more traditional form:http://www.kabbalaon...Sea-Bargain.htmThat is really the beauty of it all. God gives us what he gives us. We see it the way we see it and show him our true colors. 2
thesometimesaint Posted August 21, 2012 Posted August 21, 2012 (edited) Then you don't know many. Abandonment of religion, abandonment of traditional marriage, abandonment of social curtsies like abstaining from using the F-word in public. Removal of gender roles, enforcement of an illusion of equality. Removal of once unifying holidays like Christmas. Abandonment of parental roles, abandonment of the role between parents and children. There is definitely a drive toward destruction of all traditions and values in some illusion that destruction of traditions and pushing for change is always good.I know many.There has been little to no abandonment of religion by progressives. But they do favor keeping the Church and State separate.Marriage is as popular as ever. Some 97.5% of all Americans will be married at some point in their lives.The only "F" word I use is Fascism.What is an appropriate gender roles in society? Can women drive a car, vote, make dinner reservations; or are they only allowed to be barefoot, pregnant, and 4 inches from the stove cooking your dinner.Illusion of equality? Like "Equal Justice under Law" is chiseled on the USSC building.The Puritans had no love for Christmas, in fact they made it illegal to celebrate it. I wouldn't call the Puritans progressive. Even different countries with a strong Christian heritages celebrate it far different than we, in the US, do. Further should the State compel you to practice its preferred Christian practices?Is "Leave it to Beaver" to be our parental role model? Bye Bye Rosie the Riveter. Say hello to Joan Clever.What children need most is two parents that love and take care of them. Every Progressive I know of agrees with that. Neither death nor divorce removes that obligation.No Progressive that I know of says that change just for the sake of change is a good thing. Our society, as with all human societies is not perfect, at best we're are striving for a more perfect union. Change for better is always better than stagnation in a dysfunctional fairly tale past. Edited August 21, 2012 by thesometimesaint
happy Posted August 21, 2012 Author Posted August 21, 2012 I know many.There has been little to no abandonment of religion by progressives. But they do favor keeping the Church and State separate.Marriage is as popular as ever. Some 97.5% of all Americans will be married at some point in their lives.The only "F" word I use is Fascism.What is an appropriate gender roles in society? Can women drive a car, vote, make dinner reservations; or are they only allowed to be barefoot, pregnant, and 4 inches from the stove cooking your dinner.Illusion of equality? Like "Equal Justice under Law" is chiseled on the USSC building.The Puritans had no love for Christmas, in fact they made it illegal to celebrate it. I wouldn't call the Puritans progressive. Even different countries with a strong Christian heritages celebrate it far different than we, in the US, do. Further should the State compel you to practice its preferred Christian practices?Is "Leave it to Beaver" to be our parental role model? Bye Bye Rosie the Riveter. Say hello to Joan Clever.What children need most is two parents that love and take care of them. Every Progressive I know of agrees with that. Neither death nor divorce removes that obligation.No Progressive that I know of says that change just for the sake of change is a good thing. Our society, as with all human societies is not perfect, at best were are striving for a more perfect union. Change for better is always better than stagnation in a dysfunctional fairly tale past.I am actually going to stop here on this path because it becomes political and that violates the board rules. My apologies for encouraging this path. 1
mfbukowski Posted August 21, 2012 Posted August 21, 2012 Happy:The real problem is that "conservatives" actually conserve nothing. And we have seen all the results of "progress" from progressives, haven't we?
thesometimesaint Posted August 21, 2012 Posted August 21, 2012 Happy:Your choice, but I've said nothing that was political. You have made wild charges against members of this board of being opposed to Church doctrine and practice. I had hoped for better.
happy Posted August 21, 2012 Author Posted August 21, 2012 Happy:Your choice, but I've said nothing that was political. You have made wild charges against members of this board of being opposed to Church doctrine and practice. I had hoped for better.I have not charged anyone with anything. I am offering an alternative perspective. Perhaps you feel charged out of some hidden guilt?
Freedom Posted August 21, 2012 Posted August 21, 2012 (edited) CFR that I have ever accused you of anything or insulted you. You made an accusation of me and I am calling you out.Why do you need to be childish and insulting? #10Telling me to basically shut up and turn off my computer was unnecessary. #16So are you saying God is some guy in a cave like the Wizard of Oz speaking to prophets through special pipes and electric microphones? #39Then you don't know many. #63There is that concept I see so often. If one disagrees, it is because one is dumb, ignorant, unintelligent, or unschooled. It's a most curious of responses. #75 (contrast with post #63)Once we have to resort to insults, it is time to part ways. #76 (contrast with #39 and #10)Perhaps you feel charged out of some hidden guilt? #88 Now lets put aside the hypocrisy and address the issues. Show evidence that there is a conspiracy among scientists to hide the truth and provide an alternative to understanding the world around us and the scriptures without using the scientific method. Edited August 21, 2012 by Freedom 1
Hamilton Porter Posted August 21, 2012 Posted August 21, 2012 (edited) Then you don't know many. Abandonment of religion, abandonment of traditional marriage, abandonment of social curtsies like abstaining from using the F-word in public. Removal of gender roles, enforcement of an illusion of equality. Removal of once unifying holidays like Christmas. Abandonment of parental roles, abandonment of the role between parents and children. There is definitely a drive toward destruction of all traditions and values in some illusion that destruction of traditions and pushing for change is always good.Don't you worry, scientists will have a pill that can treat homosexuality in no time. They've done it in rats already. Edited August 21, 2012 by Hamilton Porter
thesometimesaint Posted August 21, 2012 Posted August 21, 2012 mfbukowski:If "Pro" is for something and "Con" is against it. We do know what progress is, but what is congress?
happy Posted August 21, 2012 Author Posted August 21, 2012 Why do you need to be childish and insulting? #10Telling me to basically shut up and turn off my computer was unnecessary. #16So are you saying God is some guy in a cave like the Wizard of Oz speaking to prophets through special pipes and electric microphones? #39Then you don't know many. #63There is that concept I see so often. If one disagrees, it is because one is dumb, ignorant, unintelligent, or unschooled. It's a most curious of responses. #75 (contrast with post #63)Once we have to resort to insults, it is time to part ways. #76 (contrast with #39 and #10)Perhaps you feel charged out of some hidden guilt? #88 Now lets put aside the hypocrisy and address the issues. Show evidence that there is a conspiracy among scientists to hide the truth and provide an alternative to understanding the world around us and the scriptures without using the scientific method.Other than #10, which you are conveniently taking out of context, none of those are insults.
USU78 Posted August 21, 2012 Posted August 21, 2012 mfbukowski:If "Pro" is for something and "Con" is against it. We do know what progress is, but what is congress?I know you are. But what am I? 1
mfbukowski Posted August 21, 2012 Posted August 21, 2012 mfbukowski:If "Pro" is for something and "Con" is against it. We do know what progress is, but what is congress?I will avoid the obvious connotation and just reply that it is not much more than a hot wind from the desert!
mfbukowski Posted August 21, 2012 Posted August 21, 2012 How come nobody wants to talk to me anymore?
happy Posted August 21, 2012 Author Posted August 21, 2012 How come nobody wants to talk to me anymore? You could always hang out in my digital world. I get to sit under a massive verbal microscope for some weird reason.
Freedom Posted August 21, 2012 Posted August 21, 2012 Other than #10, which you are conveniently taking out of context, none of those are insults.And nor were any of the comments you claimed to be insults. Now, why are you continuing to avoid the topic at hand?
happy Posted August 21, 2012 Author Posted August 21, 2012 And nor were any of the comments you claimed to be insults. Now, why are you continuing to avoid the topic at hand?You keep jumping around and changing topics. I am unable to keep up. Sorry.
CASteinman Posted August 21, 2012 Posted August 21, 2012 How come nobody wants to talk to me anymore?I always look for opportunities but I am not smart enough!
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