Mormons Vs. Evangelicals In Schools

[KevinG]

Agreed.

Does this mean we don't fit the stereotype frankenstien trotted out in an earlier post? LOL

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

Of course he's correct about us narrow minded, judgemental, oppressive Mormon Discussion Board 1st Ward types.

[Jeff K.]

They don't call it "First Ward" for nothing.

[Mudcat]

Though a product of the public school sytem rather than private schools. My area is almost entirely some form of protestant. Baptist's were the lionshare and the under represented Methodists, Presbyterians.. a few odd and end Church of Christers and what not were treated aloofly at best. It was only 20 years back, but Calvinist's weren't often dated by we Baptists or my fellow Methodist's for fear that some of it might rub off on us or something.

Catholics, JW's and LDS were virtually unseen and unheard of, though this may be in part to our general practice of eating non-protestants.

Edited January 20, 2012 by Mudcat

[wenglund]

...though this may be in part to our general practice of eating non-protestants.

...for lunch, no doubt.

Were they fried, broiled, baked, or raw?

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

[Mudcat]

...for lunch, no doubt.

Were they fried, broiled, baked, or raw?

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

We deep fry about everything down here.

Though IIRC my Grandmother had a wonderful recipe for pickled Catholic.

[blooit]

I am an active LDS, and hardly anti-mormon. I just find the comparison interesting. Some is to be expected, but some is not. I hardly think recognizing that there may be some negatives and that neither mormons nor evangelicals are perfect is a reasonable thing to do. It helps me raise my kids better and hopefully try to improve myself.

K-12 school

Charter

Intermountain West

60/40 is an estimate - I'm sure there is a catholic or two

[Jeff K.]

I have worked in several different cultures and groups, I teach in an inner city school, and if you removed religion as the key monicker (ie Mormon vs Baptist vs other Protestant vs Catholic) you will see many of the same attributes that we might ascribe to a group we are most familiar with. I remember sitting with a collegue and discussing some class or another. I remarked how polite and thoughtful the Vietnamese students were and how talkative the Latino students seemed to be. The man looked at me and laughed. He said the Latino kids were very comfortable speaking with me and so around me tended to be talk more, the Vietnamese kids did it around him (he grew up in Saigon). The question of trait, is it the label we place on the group (Mormon) that indicates the issue? Or, as I critqued, is it some other aspect and the label placed simply misleads us.

And also the implied hypocrisy was bothersome.

[frankenstein]

I am an active LDS, and hardly anti-mormon. I just find the comparison interesting. Some is to be expected, but some is not. I hardly think recognizing that there may be some negatives and that neither mormons nor evangelicals are perfect is a reasonable thing to do. It helps me raise my kids better and hopefully try to improve

Yep, that is all just as reasonable and thoughtful as what you originaly posted, however, don't be surprises when you get accused of being an enemy to the LDS by the all knowing and all seeing of several here. To sum up in the eyes of some here you did not promote the Church therefore you are an enemy to the Church. Such is the fate of those who approach things without an Uber alles mindset towards anything remotely involving LDS peoples.

Edited January 20, 2012 by frankenstein

[Jeff K.]

Frankie is a one trick pony.

[Jeff K.]

If only he read the posts..... sigh

[blackstrap]

Sad to say it is possible for Mormons to sin,either individually or as a group.When such is observed it is a duty to "warn others".How we do this is complex and fraught with pitfalls.Perhaps a private word to a church authority would trigger a renewed effort to teach correct principles and shed light on behaviors that can negatively affect others and our own spiritual journey.Blooit has made some observations. Maybe he should have written a paper with statistical analysis. I personally don't think that is necessary in order to stimulate a discussion about some observed group behavior.I live in a 70% + LDS area and there are some legit complaints from non-LDS people.I think that it is not so much malice on our part as just thoughtlessness.

[rpn]

I'm not understanding why posters are beating up on frankenstein, who just pointed out the tendency some have to hunker down and get defensive when we believe we are under attack. While I think it fair to ask about the representative sample, and even potential bias (since research proves that we tend to see and remember best the things that reinforce and support what we already believe), I also think a school administrator is in a position to know the culture of the school he/she supervises. Sounds like blooit serves lots of struggling human families there.

[blooit]

Frankenstein - thanks. I did pick up on your sarcasm and support. Sorry you are getting flamed.

For a long time I have felt very comfortable being critical of Mormonism, because to me, Latter Day Saints are a religious group, but Mormonism is a culture. Judaism was the true religion once, and the culture crucified Christ. I think Mormonism often falls into some pretty serious pits sometimes that we should be willing to discuss and work through.

[Jeff K.]

I'm not understanding why posters are beating up on frankenstein, who just pointed out the tendency some have to hunker down and get defensive when we believe we are under attack. While I think it fair to ask about the representative sample, and even potential bias (since research proves that we tend to see and remember best the things that reinforce and support what we already believe), I also think a school administrator is in a position to know the culture of the school he/she supervises. Sounds like blooit serves lots of struggling human families there.

I am not understanding why Frankenstn is picking on posters. All they did was question the logic of the posts presented, people like frankie hunker down and get defensive everytime a critique is made by certain posters.

I know school administrators, work with them all the time. They come in all stripes with multiple levels of awareness and more than a few presume much. I cannot fall to the fallacy of authority even by people with degrees of anthropology. I have seen too many degreed people make too many presumptions. The questions remain legit.

[Jeff K.]

Frankenstein - thanks. I did pick up on your sarcasm and support. Sorry you are getting flamed.

For a long time I have felt very comfortable being critical of Mormonism, because to me, Latter Day Saints are a religious group, but Mormonism is a culture. Judaism was the true religion once, and the culture crucified Christ. I think Mormonism often falls into some pretty serious pits sometimes that we should be willing to discuss and work through.

Darn that culture that produces Monsons and Hinckleys. Having lived in three or four very distinct cultures, I have much less to complain about in the culture I have observed in Utah (which I presume it Mormon) than the native one in Berlin, the culture I enjoyed and loved in Mexico. When you speak of pretty serious pits, you should remember that in your audience are Germans and Jews who kind of are aware of serious pits and frankly, wonder if you know just what serious pits are in your rather strong critique of serious pits.

[blooit]

Darn that culture that produces Monsons and Hinckleys. Having lived in three or four very distinct cultures, I have much less to complain about in the culture I have observed in Utah (which I presume it Mormon) than the native one in Berlin, the culture I enjoyed and loved in Mexico. When you speak of pretty serious pits, you should remember that in your audience are Germans and Jews who kind of are aware of serious pits and frankly, wonder if you know just what serious pits are in your rather strong critique of serious pits.

And Judaism produced Jesus Christ, but the culture at that time also had some issues. I think Presidents Monson and Hinckley agree with my critique of our culture, else why would they preach so strongly against the kinds of behavior I am observing. Honestly, what part of my observation bothers you?

btw - I only mentioned my experience in Anthropology because that discipline emphasizes just how unrealistic "objectivity" is. I did not mention it to strengthen my credibility. I would say, though, that making cultural observations is what I spent that time doing, so maybe it helps me do that. Anthropological studies are based primarily on observation, and I might just have a pretty good perspective on what I've seen. Then again, I could be a crazy, anti-mormon zealot. Either way, I think it's ok to call it the way I see it.

[Ares]

Judaism was the true religion once, and the culture crucified Christ.

This thinly veiled anti-semetic standard is not welcome on this board. Take the "innocent observer" act and refelct upon your own issues.