Verum Posted November 21, 2011 Posted November 21, 2011 - In what ways will life during the Millennium be different from life on the earth now?Not sure why this question even matters. How does this help us apply valuable principles today? This type of question just leads everyone into speculation further down the "science fictiony" road... How can we prepare now for work in the Millennium?This question is more relevant.... mainly because it is not really about the Millennium itself but instead on understanding the things we need to be able to do today that will prepare us to live the Lord's kingdom.
Nominee Posted November 21, 2011 Posted November 21, 2011 Regarding "-In what ways will life during the Millennium be different from life on the earth now?" I discussed how even though the scriptures may not say "this is how life will be during the millennium" we do have scripture (4 Nephi) that helps us to know what harmonious living would be like and shows us how it is possible among righteous peoples. Scriptures also help us to see that humanity weighs on even those most righteous. It doesn't need to have the word "millennium" in the title to be helpful. It all comes back to obey, pray often, read your scriptures daily.
Nominee Posted November 21, 2011 Posted November 21, 2011 In reference to the relevence of the first question:Life will be different in the millennium because we will be living by the celestial law.We as saints, suck at that.http://lds.org/liahona/1980/01/living-the-principles-of-the-law-of-consecration?lang=eng&query=principles+law+consecrationSo this is also a question, IMO, that has everything to do with "understanding the things we need to be able to do today that will prepare us to live the Lord's kingdom."D&C 88:22~22 For he who is not able to abide the alaw of a celestial kingdom cannot babide a ccelestial glory.http://lds.org/scriptures/dc-testament/dc/88.22?lang=eng#21
Verum Posted November 21, 2011 Posted November 21, 2011 (edited) Sorry, I just don't understand the relevance of even spending more than five minutes on this topic as a discussion. I just don't think it something anyone can really understand.I just can't wrap my brain around what life will be like in a paradisical state of terrestial level and above immortals who still have to build houses, harvest crops, and spend the next 1,000 years doing missionary and temple work, acknowledge Christ as king yet still be "free to continue with their religions and ideas" who receive frequent visits from immortal angels that will assist in the millennial government affairs.... Edited November 21, 2011 by Verum
Nominee Posted November 21, 2011 Posted November 21, 2011 (edited) Sorry, I just don't understand the relevance of even spending more than five minutes on this topic as a discussion. I just don't think it something anyone can really understand.I just can't wrap my brain around what life will be like in a paradisical state of terrestial level and above immortals who still have to build houses, harvest crops, and spend the next 1,000 years doing missionary and temple work, acknowledge Christ as king yet still be "free to continue with their religions and ideas" who receive frequent visits from immortal angels that will assist in the millennial government affairs....In your above statement you have chose to blend together ALL things mentioned as acts of immortals. There are some immortals with mortals in the millennium. It is that the immortals would offer much assistance as mortals continue through their necessary mortal journey.http://lds.org/scriptures/jst/jst-gen/9.21?lang=eng#20 I can see why it would be difficult to wrap your head around it when you have a view such as "immortals who still have to build houses, harvest crops, and spend the next 1,000 years doing missionary and temple work." I disagree with the assessment that this would be a disappointment to them. Also, I don't think "being free to continue with their religions and ideas" is necessarily referring or limited to opposing ones.To assume otherwise, would be exactly the type of speculation we are struggling with. This could just as easily mean that the organized church of Jesus Christ, as it is today, will still stand and we will still attend sacrament, etc. just as we do now accepting Christ as King. As you have pointed out, the details are just what we have in doctine. Edited November 21, 2011 by Nominee
cinepro Posted November 21, 2011 Posted November 21, 2011 I just can't wrap my brain around what life will be like in a paradisical state of terrestial level and above immortals who still have to build houses, harvest crops, and spend the next 1,000 years doing missionary and temple work, acknowledge Christ as king yet still be "free to continue with their religions and ideas" who receive frequent visits from immortal angels that will assist in the millennial government affairs....Our teacher made a similar comment, noting that he "just couldn't imagine it".My response: "It's easy if you try...."Personally, I subscribe to a limited geography millennium. I don't think it will cover the whole planet, it will just be known to certain people, and we'll live as a subset of larger cultures much as we do now, and the other people won't know that it's actually the millennium.
zerinus Posted November 21, 2011 Posted November 21, 2011 (edited) "Mormon belief" at the opposite end of time is also quite literalistic. Yet we are given leeway to employ literary tools to "interpret" the scrpitural stories of the past in order to extract spiritual teaching and not necessarily for their historical instuction.Can the same be done for the other end of time?I haven't a clue what you are talking about. What the heck is "the opposite end of time" and "the other end of time"? Are you talking about Harry Potter, Wizard of Oz, Dr Who, or the gospel of Jesus Christ? The scriptures, however, talk about the Millenium in quite concrete terms:D&C 29:11 For I will reveal myself from heaven with power and great glory, with all the hosts thereof, and dwell in righteousness with men on earth a thousand years, and the wicked shall not stand.22 And again, verily, verily, I say unto you that when the thousand years are ended, and men again begin to deny their God, then will I spare the earth but for a little seasonD&C 43: 30 For the great Millennium, of which I have spoken by the mouth of my servants, shall come.D&C 88:101 And these are the rest of the dead; and they live not again until the thousand years are ended, neither again, until the end of the earth.110 And so on, until the seventh angel shall sound his trump; and he shall stand forth upon the land and upon the sea, and swear in the name of him who sitteth upon the throne, that there shall be time no longer; and Satan shall be bound, that old serpent, who is called the devil, and shall not be loosed for the space of a thousand years.Moses 7:64 And there shall be mine abode, and it shall be Zion, which shall come forth out of all the creations which I have made; and for the space of a thousand years the earth shall rest.65 And it came to pass that Enoch saw the day of the coming of the Son of Man, in the last days, to dwell on the earth in righteousness for the space of a thousand years.If you don't think I should interpret these verses literally, then do me a favor and explain to me how I should interpret them, and why? Edited November 21, 2011 by zerinus
zerinus Posted November 21, 2011 Posted November 21, 2011 (edited) error post Edited November 21, 2011 by zerinus
Nominee Posted November 21, 2011 Posted November 21, 2011 (edited) I took the other end of time to mean the "beginning." And I think the confusion as to whether the thousand years is a literal thousand years as we know it to be today comes from other discussions, regarding biblical timelines, that I have heard. Like how the Lord creating the world in 7 days really means 7 thousand years because 1 day to God is a thousand years to us. Ya know? Edited November 21, 2011 by Nominee
Senator Posted November 21, 2011 Author Posted November 21, 2011 (edited) If you don't think I should interpret these verses literally, then do me a favor and explain to me how I should interpret them, and why?You're free to interpret them however you wish.For me, given the precedence of figurative license in the sciptural "historical" record, I'm not uncomfortable in applying such license to the given futuristic tellings. Edited November 21, 2011 by Senator
Nathair/|\ Posted November 21, 2011 Posted November 21, 2011 Our teacher made a similar comment, noting that he "just couldn't imagine it".My response: "It's easy if you try...."Personally, I subscribe to a limited geography millennium. I don't think it will cover the whole planet, it will just be known to certain people, and we'll live as a subset of larger cultures much as we do now, and the other people won't know that it's actually the millennium.
Mudcat Posted November 22, 2011 Posted November 22, 2011 (edited) Stargazer:I look forward to porkchop trees. I could write a song about that....It was the Millennium and what did I see?Pork chops cooking on the pork chop tree.Millennial reign has brought me such a nice surprise:Pork chops cooking right before my eyes.With some tasty sauce I can make a treat,A pork chop fiesta that would taste so sweet.It was really so,And it seemed to meThat pork chops will be cooking on the pork chop tree<Insert drum roll here>Seriously though, I found it a bit surprising that the source material for the lesson on the Millennium only gave minimal reference to the book of Revelation. Edited November 22, 2011 by Mudcat 2
ERayR Posted November 22, 2011 Posted November 22, 2011 Our teacher made a similar comment, noting that he "just couldn't imagine it".My response: "It's easy if you try...."Personally, I subscribe to a limited geography millennium. I don't think it will cover the whole planet, it will just be known to certain people, and we'll live as a subset of larger cultures much as we do now, and the other people won't know that it's actually the millennium.How can they help but notice with the criminal element gone and recognition of Christ as Savior and King?
cinepro Posted November 22, 2011 Posted November 22, 2011 How can they help but notice with the criminal element gone and recognition of Christ as Savior and King?Sometimes the scriptures describe things poetically, or from the limited perspective of the culture of the writer, and the actual meaning is different than what an overly literalistic reading might indicate. 1
ERayR Posted November 22, 2011 Posted November 22, 2011 Sometimes the scriptures describe things poetically, or from the limited perspective of the culture of the writer, and the actual meaning is different than what an overly literalistic reading might indicate.And some are prone to rationalizing it away. 1
Senator Posted November 22, 2011 Author Posted November 22, 2011 (edited) And some are prone to rationalizing it away.Many are not, and simply seek greater understanding Edited November 22, 2011 by Senator
cinepro Posted November 22, 2011 Posted November 22, 2011 And some are prone to rationalizing it away.How can you rationalize away something that hasn't happened yet?
cinepro Posted November 22, 2011 Posted November 22, 2011 (edited) And another good line you can use...."During the millennium, not only humans but animals and birds will be changed. There will be resurrected beings, and millennium hawks, millennium eagles, and millennium falcons." Edited November 22, 2011 by cinepro
Sky Posted November 22, 2011 Posted November 22, 2011 How can you rationalize away something that hasn't happened yet?By rationalizing away the prophecies about it.
Senator Posted November 22, 2011 Author Posted November 22, 2011 By rationalizing away the prophecies about it.Are prophecies rational?
Sky Posted November 22, 2011 Posted November 22, 2011 Are prophecies rational?Rational or not, one prophecy relating to the Second Coming and the Millennium is that it is dreaded or denied by a lot of people. That, at least, seems difficult to dispute. For what it’s worth, I found a talk by Elder Oaks about preparing for the Second Coming. It helped to increase my understanding, and I hope it does the same for you.
Senator Posted November 22, 2011 Author Posted November 22, 2011 Rational or not, one prophecy relating to the Second Coming and the Millennium is that it is dreaded or denied by a lot of people. That, at least, seems difficult to dispute. Quite obviously. I don't think anyone has been disputing that. Surely, among the deniers would be those that don't believe in Jesus Christ, or those that think that prophecy is irrational.For what it’s worth, I found a talk by Elder Oaks about preparing for the Second Coming. It helped to increase my understanding, and I hope it does the same for you.Good article. I liked it. I especially liked this statement:"The movies and magazines and television that shape our attitudes are filled with stories or images that portray the children of God as predatory beasts or, at best, as trivial creations pursuing little more than personal pleasure. And too many of us accept this as entertainment."It also raises some question in my mind! (as any good article should)
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