altersteve Posted August 29, 2011 Posted August 29, 2011 Since we don't accept the Song of Solomon as an inspired text, why is it still included in our canon? Why doesn't the Church issue a new edition of the Bible with the Song of Solomon removed?
volgadon Posted August 29, 2011 Posted August 29, 2011 We could only remove it from our editions of the KJV and the Reina-Valera. For the rest of the world we use Bibles purchased from the Bible Society.
thesometimesaint Posted August 29, 2011 Posted August 29, 2011 There has already been more than enough removed from the KJV of the Bible. Why remove more? 1
BookofMormonLuvr Posted August 29, 2011 Posted August 29, 2011 It is removed from the Inspired Version of the Scriptures (full text of the Joseph Smith "Translation") that we use in the RLDS Restoration Branches.
BookofMormonLuvr Posted August 29, 2011 Posted August 29, 2011 BookofMormonLuvr:Sad to see.Why is that? I, personally, believe Joseph Smith was inspired when he corrected the text and stated that the SofS was not an inspired work. Do you believe he made a mistake?
volgadon Posted August 29, 2011 Posted August 29, 2011 There has already been more than enough removed from the KJV of the Bible.Such as?
Robert F. Smith Posted August 29, 2011 Posted August 29, 2011 (edited) Since we don't accept the Song of Solomon as an inspired text, why is it still included in our canon? Why doesn't the Church issue a new edition of the Bible with the Song of Solomon removed?The fact that it is part of the Mormon Canon means that it is inspired -- by definition. That doesn't mean that everyone regards it as inspired. Some interpreters see it as blatant sexual love poetry, and it does read very much like ancient Egyptian love poetry. Others read it allegorically as celebrating the Garden of Eden, as well as the love between God and the Church. Several non-Mormon scholars have analyzed it as entirely chiastic in structure. Perhaps what we see there tells more about us than it does about the poem. I have known Israelis who could sing the entire song from memory. Perhaps it has been retained in the Judeo-Christian Canon simply due to its unsurpassed beauty. Edited August 29, 2011 by Robert F. Smith 1
thesometimesaint Posted August 29, 2011 Posted August 29, 2011 volgadon:http://www.thelostbooks.com/list.htm 1
LeSellers Posted August 29, 2011 Posted August 29, 2011 There has already been more than enough removed from the KJV of the Bible. Why remove more?The obvious inference here is that it is the AV (aka KJV) from which the books you allude to have been removed, when, in fact, it is from the generally accepted, Roman-imposed (albeit slightly modified) canon, not the AV, per se et solo. You are absolutely right: we have lost too much of the original scriptures God caused to be written. I am grateful so much of the doctrine has been restored through the Doctrine and Covenants, the Book of Mormon, and the Pearl of Great Price (among others of lesser volume). This was precisely what Joseph meant in the VIII Article of Faith, and what Nephi was talking about when he lamented their loss. Lehi
LeSellers Posted August 29, 2011 Posted August 29, 2011 (edited) The fact that it is part of the Mormon Canon means that it is inspired -- by definition. I accidently wasted yet another rep point today, because I strongly disgree with your stance.To claim that it is inspired because included in the Standard Works ("canon") is going at least one step too far. There is a footnote (paralleling the handwritten one in Joseph's Bible from which the JST derived) that reminds us that "The Songs of Solomon are not inspired writings." One wonders just how much clearer the message could be. Lehi Edited August 29, 2011 by LeSellers 3
thesometimesaint Posted August 29, 2011 Posted August 29, 2011 Lehi:I lament their lose. Maybe someday they'll be restored. My but that would make for a BIG Bible. I'm happy that we have the Restored Gospel. I eagerly await more.
LeSellers Posted August 29, 2011 Posted August 29, 2011 I lament their lose. Maybe someday they'll be restored. My but that would make for a BIG Bible. You must be one of those Marmunz who actually believe that IX Article of Faith. Don't be silly.Lehi
The Nehor Posted August 29, 2011 Posted August 29, 2011 It's beautiful. Why take it out? I'm not worried someone will read it and go astray and it's easy to skip when reading the Bible. How many LDS have even read the Bible cover to cover anyways? How many of those wouldn't know about Joseph's comment about the Song?In truth though you haven't truly read the Song until you've read it in the original Klingon. 1
cinepro Posted August 29, 2011 Posted August 29, 2011 Other than depriving the 15 year-old-boys of a few minutes of snickering during Sacrament Meeting, I'm not sure what the value of such a change would be. If the Church wanted to start improving the Bible by making changes, there are probably a lot more important things that could be done.
volgadon Posted August 29, 2011 Posted August 29, 2011 volgadon:http://www.thelostbooks.com/list.htmI was asking you what was removed from the KJV specifically.
The Nehor Posted August 29, 2011 Posted August 29, 2011 Other than depriving the 15 year-old-boys of a few minutes of snickering during Sacrament Meeting, I'm not sure what the value of such a change would be. If my life as a teenager is any indication to prevent this you'd be better off taking out Genesis.
Zakuska Posted August 29, 2011 Posted August 29, 2011 (edited) Personally, I see the Song of Solomon as a prophecy of the birth of Christ and the new Christian church, all its persecutions being slapped on its face by those who had been set as watchmen on the tower losing her diamonds in her crown and her reflecting mirror, leading up to the birth of the "Rose of Sharon".Basically a description of the history of the world from Christ's time through the Apostasy and the Restoration of the Gospel by Joseph Smith born in "Sharon" Vermont. It's a pity that Joseph didn't seem to see that one. Edited August 29, 2011 by Zakuska
thesometimesaint Posted August 29, 2011 Posted August 29, 2011 volgadon:* Psalm 151 * Wisdom of Solomon * Susanna * 1 Maccabees * 2 Maccabees * 3 Maccabees * 4 Maccabees * Sirach * Baruch * Tobit * Bel and the Dragon * Azariah * Epistle of Jeremiah * Prayer of Manasseh * 4 Ezra OR 2 Esdras * Judith * Additions to the Book of Esther * 1 Esdras
shalamabobbi Posted August 29, 2011 Posted August 29, 2011 volgadon:http://www.thelostbooks.com/list.htmDon't forget to add the allegory of the tame and wild olive trees quoted in the New Testament..For LDS:And it came to pass that I, Nephi, beheld that they did prosper in the land; and I beheld a book, and it was carried forth among them.And the angel said unto me: Knowest thou the meaning of the book?And I said unto him: I know not.And he said: Behold it proceedeth out of the mouth of a Jew. And I, Nephi, beheld it; and he said unto me: The book that thou beholdest is a record of the Jews, which contains the covenants of the Lord, which he hath made unto the house of Israel; and it also containeth many of the prophecies of the holy prophets; and it is a record like unto the engravings which are upon the plates of brass, save there are not so many; nevertheless, they contain the covenants of the Lord, which he hath made unto the house of Israel; wherefore, they are of great worth unto the Gentiles. 1 Ne. 13: 20-23
volgadon Posted August 29, 2011 Posted August 29, 2011 Don't forget to add the allegory of the tame and wild olive trees quoted in the New Testament..For LDS:And it came to pass that I, Nephi, beheld that they did prosper in the land; and I beheld a book, and it was carried forth among them.And the angel said unto me: Knowest thou the meaning of the book?And I said unto him: I know not.And he said: Behold it proceedeth out of the mouth of a Jew. And I, Nephi, beheld it; and he said unto me: The book that thou beholdest is a record of the Jews, which contains the covenants of the Lord, which he hath made unto the house of Israel; and it also containeth many of the prophecies of the holy prophets; and it is a record like unto the engravings which are upon the plates of brass, save there are not so many; nevertheless, they contain the covenants of the Lord, which he hath made unto the house of Israel; wherefore, they are of great worth unto the Gentiles. 1 Ne. 13: 20-23Which is hardly an example of things being removed from the KJV.
volgadon Posted August 29, 2011 Posted August 29, 2011 volgadon:* Psalm 151Was not removed from the KJV.
Ron Beron Posted August 30, 2011 Posted August 30, 2011 It sounds a great deal like the poetry that accompanied the marriage of Inanna (Mesopotamian fertility goddess) and Dumuzi. The marriage rite is necessary for the kings of Mesopotamia to factor into their resumes to claim any kind of real authority. Maybe this was Solomon's attempt at justification of his kingship?? If David Bokovoy is out there he will must certainly destroy my presumptuous logic.
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