LDS Viewpoint of Planned Parenthood

[blueadept]

Since D - Harry Reid has stated that he would shutdown the government before he would choose not to fund Planned Parenthood, I'm curious how the LDS MD&D board members feel about this topic and if they echo Harry Reids POV.

Thanks

[blueadept]

As a non-member, I won't vote in my own poll.

IMO, there are plenty of other groups that can offer these same services and keep the abortion option off the table (pro-life clinics). So I would vote to shut down any government funding to Planned Parenthood.

My 2 cents

[ERMD]

There are few (if any?) political points on which Harry Reid and I agree.

[mercyngrace]

Okay, I voted "other" because my view of PP is negative but not just because of the abortion business. There have been a number of hidden camera stings in recent years showing the organization lacks integrity and willfully ignores the abuse of women and children. Also (iirc) they supported legislation to allow children to be carried across state lines by school representatives (counselors) for abortions without parental notification.

And of course, there's the fact that I find PP founder Margaret Sanger a completely repulsive individual for her views on eugenics, race, motherhood, and infanticide...

Yeah. Not a fan of PP.

[Nathair/|\]

Okay, I voted "other" because my view of PP is negative but not just because of the abortion business. There have been a number of hidden camera stings in recent years showing the organization lacks integrity and willfully ignores the abuse of women and children. Also (iirc) they supported legislation to allow children to be carried across state lines by school representatives (counselors) for abortions without parental notification.

And of course, there's the fact that I find PP founder Margaret Sanger a completely repulsive individual for her views on eugenics, race, motherhood, and infanticide...

Yeah. Not a fan of PP.

I endorse MnG's response 10000000000000000000000000000000000000%

[LeSellers]

I would vote to shut down any government funding to Planned Parenthood.

The list of things I'd defund finds Planned Parenthood somewhere lower than first, but far from last. Any government funding of what should be private charity is abominable. Forcing me to pay for what I consider murder is well beyond abominable.

If someone wants to pay for a woman's infanticide, let him do it with his own money, and not with mine, taken at the point of a gun by the IRS.

I also object to the state's taking money from individuals and using it to pay for adoption, medical care, retirement of those who didn't earn it, welfare, or researching cancer. I especially object to paying for government youth concentration camps/indoctrination centers (commonly called "public" schools). Brigham Young said he objected on the same grounds, and no one has shown any prophetic repeal of this stance.

If you want to find a cure for cancer, pay for it yourself. If you want to buy someone medical insurance, write the check. Don't send government goons to my door and force me to fund your desires. I have things I'd like to do with my resources, and paying for abortions is way up on the list of thing I do not want to pay for, even indirectly.

But I would not want anyone to believe I was passionate about this.

Lehi

[BCSpace]

I'm curious how the LDS MD&D board members feel about this topic

As if abortions weren't bad enough, Planned Parenthood is in the business of sexualizing children, encouraging them to experiment, and promoting adults having sex with children, etc. They already are perversely and pervasively involved in sex education programs world-wide and it is only a matter of time now that they get past the weakening morals of the general populace with their full agenda.

A hallmark of their program is separating parents from the equation such that they will not be notified or excluded from PP meetings with the student body. They also have special web sites directed at your children and their url's are given out in schools.

We were finally able to drive PP from our school district but it took a lot of hard work. In other nations where education is truly nationalized, it is impossible to do so. Here is a useful and informative site for helping rid us of this infestation:

Stopp - Stop Planned Parenthood

I feel that is enough to deny temple recommends and even remove from the roles of the Church the names those who support Planned Parenthood in any way after such is explained to them. We have already had to give such council in our Stake and will continue to do so.

[Steadfast]

Planned Parenthood has its roots in the eugenics movement.

[blueadept]

bumping...

I feel that is enough to deny temple recommends and even remove from the roles of the Church the names those who support Planned Parenthood in any way after such is explained to them. We have already had to give such council in our Stake and will continue to do so.

That's a fairly strong position by your stake. I wasn't aware that there were Stakes out there that made such a strong position.

Next time I 'bump' into the local stake president, I'm going to have to find out his thoughts on the matter. I've been trying to figure out an approach to see if he would be willing to send the YM/YW with other youth groups of other churches in the community to the Pro-Life Walk in San Francisco next year. That walk grew from 35,000 to about 50,000 walkers this year and it seems to be gaining momentum. I'm not necessarily optimistic but I've always viewed that the RCC and LDS churches are not too far off and may be able to support a common interest.

We shall see.

[thesometimesaint]

blueadept:

Individual Stake Presidents don't have the authority to change Temple Recommend questions. It would be like a Catholic Bishop changing the rules for the Vatican.

[blueadept]

blueadept:

Individual Stake Presidents don't have the authority to change Temple Recommend questions. It would be like a Catholic Bishop changing the rules for the Vatican.

That's not a reasonable comparison since the power resides with the Bishops as long as they recognize the Pope (also known as the Bishop of Rome). I never suspected that the TR questions would be changed. I'm simply surprised by strong council given by BCSpace's stake.

[zelder]

blueadept:

Individual Stake Presidents don't have the authority to change Temple Recommend questions. It would be like a Catholic Bishop changing the rules for the Vatican.

That is true. However,supporting PP might violate question 7

7 Do you support, affiliate with, or agree with any group or individual whose teachings or practices are contrary to or oppose those accepted by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?

It is not unreasonable to think that a high level of support, affiliation or agreement with PP could warrant having a temple recommend being revoked.

[zelder]

The list of things I'd defund finds Planned Parenthood somewhere lower than first, but far from last. Any government funding of what should be private charity is abominable. Forcing me to pay for what I consider murder is well beyond abominable.

If someone wants to pay for a woman's infanticide, let him do it with his own money, and not with mine, taken at the point of a gun by the IRS.

I also object to the state's taking money from individuals and using it to pay for adoption, medical care, retirement of those who didn't earn it, welfare, or researching cancer. I especially object to paying for government youth concentration camps/indoctrination centers (commonly called "public" schools). Brigham Young said he objected on the same grounds, and no one has shown any prophetic repeal of this stance.

If you want to find a cure for cancer, pay for it yourself. If you want to buy someone medical insurance, write the check. Don't send government goons to my door and force me to fund your desires. I have things I'd like to do with my resources, and paying for abortions is way up on the list of thing I do not want to pay for, even indirectly.

But I would not want anyone to believe I was passionate about this.

Lehi

I've decided that you are one of my favorite posters here at MDDB.

I have strong doubts that anyone in authority wants to actually cure cancer. At least not with something simple and cheap. The cure has to expensive, patentable have side effects that require even more pharmaceuticals. Not only has cancer become big business but its great for population control. As a teenager I met a woman who cured her own cancer by growing her own food and eating copious quantities of wheat grass juice. That was one of the many things I've seen that have made my wheels turn and tell me things aren't what they seem in this world.

[thesometimesaint]

zelder:

Though not directly PP, the Church went through a similar experience with Bishops asking highly personal questions about its members sex lives in Temple Recommend interviews. Finally Salt Lake had to put a stop to it.

[zelder]

zelder:

Though not directly PP, the Church went through a similar experience with Bishops asking highly personal questions about its members sex lives in Temple Recommend interviews. Finally Salt Lake had to put a stop to it.

So you think the church would be out of line for withholding a temple recommend to a supporter of PP? Why do you think that?

[LeSellers]

I've decided that you are one of my favorite posters here at MDDB.

Check's in the mail. Ten bucks enough?

I have strong doubts that anyone in authority wants to actually cure cancer. At least not with something simple and cheap. The cure has to expensive, patentable have side effects that require even more pharmaceuticals. Not only has cancer become big business but its great for population control. As a teenager I met a woman who cured her own cancer by growing her own food and eating copious quantities of wheat grass juice. That was one of the many things I've seen that have made my wheels turn and tell me things aren't what they seem in this world.

I have to agree with all of this (but only because it's true), but that's not at all my point. It's just that the state has no business doing any of this. The only legitimate function of the state is to protect individual rights.

Lehi

[thesometimesaint]

Zelder:

Yes. I believe in the sanctity of the bedroom and the ballot box. Those type of questions are best left to the couple to answer for themselves.

[zelder]

Zelder:

Yes. I believe in the sanctity of the bedroom and the ballot box. Those type of questions are best left to the couple to answer for themselves.

Do you think that Planned Parenthood is not a group whose teachings are opposed to those of the church?

EDIT: The church can have an opinion about anything political or secular if it wants to. It usually chooses not to during this era of its development. The church is the Kingdom of God and will eventually have political dominion. Planned parenthood is not just a secular organization though, it is deeply invloved in moral issues related to the sancitiy of life and families and parenthood. The church has an obligation to take a stand on those issues. I don't understand why any saint would be choose to affiliate and support PP. Can you help me understand?

[LeSellers]

supporting PP might violate question 7

7 Do you support, affiliate with, or agree with any group or individual whose teachings or practices are contrary to or oppose those accepted by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?

There is no "might" about it.

Lehi

[thesometimesaint]

zelder:

No. I think we/they operate on two separate philosophies. PP operates on the principle that women along with their spouses are in the best position to determine their health needs. That every child should be wanted and cared for. That education is the best preventative for unplanned and unwanted pregnancies. That women should receive the best health care available, particularly when they are pregnant. That abortion sometimes is only answer to a tragic pregnancy.

The Church operates similarly but adds in the additional factor of religion which PP by it very nature can not.

[zelder]

zelder:

No. I think we/they operate on two separate philosophies. PP operates on the principle that women along with their spouses are in the best position to determine their health needs. That every child should be wanted and cared for. That education is the best preventative for unplanned and unwanted pregnancies. That women should receive the best health care available, particularly when they are pregnant. That abortion sometimes is only answer to a tragic pregnancy.

The Church operates similarly but adds in the additional factor of religion which PP by it very nature can not.

Those are all good things that appeal to the masses and I think agree with church policies but is that what they are actually doing? Women along with their spouses are in the best position to determine their health needs but are young teenage girls in the best positon to determine what is best without their parents? Every child should be cared for and wanted but are they to quick to just kill the child since it is not wanted by the mother? Education is the best preventative for unplanned and unwanted pregnancies but what kind of education? Educating them to be responsible and have families or educating them to be sexually unrestrained and how to use birth control and how to get an abortion?

[Nathair/|\]

bumping...

That's a fairly strong position by your stake. I wasn't aware that there were Stakes out there that made such a strong position.

Next time I 'bump' into the local stake president, I'm going to have to find out his thoughts on the matter. I've been trying to figure out an approach to see if he would be willing to send the YM/YW with other youth groups of other churches in the community to the Pro-Life Walk in San Francisco next year. That walk grew from 35,000 to about 50,000 walkers this year and it seems to be gaining momentum. I'm not necessarily optimistic but I've always viewed that the RCC and LDS churches are not too far off and may be able to support a common interest.

We shall see.

I would love to see our two churches work even closer together on social issues. I have great respect for recent Popes and I find Catholicism as a culture to be a beautiful thing, especially in Ireland.

The old Catholic church traditions are worth more than all you have said.--Joseph Smith

Yours under the bridge-building oaks,

Nathair /|\

[USU78]

Education is the best preventative for unplanned and unwanted pregnancies

That gets asserted a bunch . . . yet I've never seen any actual evidence that education, other than in-home and Church teachings, has had much effect on teenage pregnancy numbers.

[LeSellers]

I've never seen any actual evidence that education, other than in-home and Church teachings, has had much effect on teenage pregnancy numbers.

... except to make them rise.

Lehi

[thesometimesaint]

zelder:

Yes every child should be wanted and cared for. There should never be any such thing as rape, incest, and the health and life of the mother should never be in question. It is unfortunate that we don't live in that type of world.

I see a need for both services. PP does a good job of teaching the mechanics(You'd be surprised at how little teens and preteens actually know), and the Church does a good job of teaching the religious/moral responsibilities of parenthood. Ideally parents would take seriously their responsibilities to teach their children factually and responsibly. Unfortunately most parents don't actually do a good job of either, as our emotions are all tied up in it.