thesometimesaint Posted February 23, 2011 Posted February 23, 2011 Pa Pa:I know the name of the Church too. I think we should all live as if TODAY was the day.
BCSpace Posted February 26, 2011 Posted February 26, 2011 And what worked in Egypt was the lack of US support for Mubarak, leading to the army's decision to take power for itself.A shameful thing to do to an ally and friend. Rates right up there with Jimmy throwing the Shah under the bus. Let's hope the Hashemites keep hold of their fief.Did not representatives from the US also invite the Muslim Brotherhood into the mix and are they not the spiritual foundation of multiple terror groups throughout the Middle East? I don't see any evidence that Egypt is on the road to any sort of democracy. There might be a vote, but if the outcome is military rule or an Islamist government, is such a vote really a sign of democracy?As for Libya, where there is now some real bloodshed, I'd say because of that alone there is more chance for democracy because the people are going to be much less willing to fall asleep or be duped because of their significant investment in blood. But I still think it unlikely to result in democracy even in the long run. Deeply ingrained Islam stands in their way.Turkey is no longer an example of democracy devolving more and more into an Islamist state as it is. When they start voting against the Islamist party and the vote counting is not corrupt, pre-empted, or nullified, I'll believe again.
USU78 Posted February 27, 2011 Posted February 27, 2011 Did not representatives from the US also invite the Muslim Brotherhood into the mix and are they not the spiritual foundation of multiple terror groups throughout the Middle East? I don't see any evidence that Egypt is on the road to any sort of democracy. There might be a vote, but if the outcome is military rule or an Islamist government, is such a vote really a sign of democracy?As for Libya, where there is now some real bloodshed, I'd say because of that alone there is more chance for democracy because the people are going to be much less willing to fall asleep or be duped because of their significant investment in blood. But I still think it unlikely to result in democracy even in the long run. Deeply ingrained Islam stands in their way.Turkey is no longer an example of democracy devolving more and more into an Islamist state as it is. When they start voting against the Islamist party and the vote counting is not corrupt, pre-empted, or nullified, I'll believe again.The Egyptian military ousted Farouk in 1952. The military has been in power ever since, with different guys as the head of the Junta. What we have just witnessed is a change of heads on the top of a body that never has changed. This is not to say that the MB may not get a seat at the table in Egypt, but my own view is that the military has brilliantly stage-managed things to stay in charge. If all it costs is the compelled retirement of the 82-year-old Mubarak, so be it. That's a no brainer to pay for stability. The Military Council of State remains firmly in charge.I just hope the military doesn't take advantage of Benghazi's disenchantment with Tripoli and seize the oil fields under some pretext or other. If they don't, they deserve all our thanks, IMHO.
thesometimesaint Posted February 27, 2011 Posted February 27, 2011 The US and British Petroleum overthrew the democratically elected president of Iran in 1953 imposing the Shah. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat
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