Guest Just Curious Posted October 1, 2004 Posted October 1, 2004 Does anyone know which church is the church described in this passage...in other words, which church is the "Church of the Lamb of God"? Inquiring minds want to know !!!1 Ne. 14: 10 10 And he said unto me: Behold there are save two churches only; the one is the church of the Lamb of God, and the other is the church of the devil; wherefore, whoso belongeth not to the church of the Lamb of God belongeth to that great church, which is the mother of abominations; and she is the whore of all the earth.
dangermom Posted October 1, 2004 Posted October 1, 2004 I've always read and been taught that it's true disciples of Christ, people who desire righteousness--even if they have not yet heard the name of Christ or the fulness of the gospel. Your name could be on the rolls of any church (or not), and you could be a member of the "church of the Lamb of God." Likewise, you could be LDS or whatever, and not be a member of that body.
Guest Just Curious Posted October 1, 2004 Posted October 1, 2004 I've always read and been taught that it's true disciples of Christ, people who desire righteousness--even if they have not yet heard the name of Christ or the fulness of the gospel. Your name could be on the rolls of any church (or not), and you could be a member of the "church of the Lamb of God." Likewise, you could be LDS or whatever, and not be a member of that body.Do you know if that is what the LDS church teaches...where can I read that?Thanks
Guest Just Curious Posted October 1, 2004 Posted October 1, 2004 Where are all the BOM scholars now...come on you guys...what gives? Is everyone so afraid to take on this passage from the BOM?????
heavymental Posted October 1, 2004 Posted October 1, 2004 Where are all the BOM scholars now...come on you guys...what gives? Is everyone so afraid to take on this passage from the BOMThe Church of the Lamb of God are those that accept Jesus Christ... nothing scholarly required... in essence the Church of Jesus Christ
Freedom Posted October 1, 2004 Posted October 1, 2004 I can tell you an anecdotal interpretation. Several years ago President Hunter and Elder Hait came to our area and I was up on the stand conducting the music. During an intermission I sat beside Pres Hunter who was then the president of the quorum of the 12, and asked him this very question. He gave me his opinion and then told me that if he asked 12 other apostles that I would get 12 different interpretations. He felt that it was the elect, those who kept their second estate. In other words, those who receive all the ordinance and strive to obey the commandments and are pure in heart. I have not found any doctrine on it, although there are a lot of books by church writers that discuss the expression. Perhaps, then, in mortality we belong to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints and in the celestial kingdom we belong to the church of the Lamb of God. I asked a visiting general authority the same question and he said: will knowing the answer to that question make you a better father or husband? It was his way of saying
tubaloth Posted October 1, 2004 Posted October 1, 2004 I would agree to some degree with what has been said so for. I haven
Freedom Posted October 1, 2004 Posted October 1, 2004 It is correct that there are a lot of righteous people that aren
Guest Just Curious Posted October 1, 2004 Posted October 1, 2004 I asked a visiting general authority the same question and he said: will knowing the answer to that question make you a better father or husband? It was his way of saying
Guest Just Curious Posted October 2, 2004 Posted October 2, 2004 I find this incredulous. A passage in the BOM that nobody wants to touch. Why? It is very obvious because that passage is loaded...there are only 2 conclusions to the question1) The LDS church is the Church of the Lamb of God...and every other church is the church of the devil2) Any church can be the Church of the Lamb of God as long as it teaches correct doctrines of Christ, therefore the LDS church is not the "only true church"So which is it LDS folks...those are the only two logical answers to that question....that is why the LDS want to run from that passage as fast as they possibly can. I would love to find out the official church position on this passage. Anyone know where I can find it?
Freedom Posted October 2, 2004 Posted October 2, 2004 My goodness you are confused. Since the only source of doctrine is the canonized scriptures and official declarations and since there is no clarification in any of these sources what it means, how can we possibly respond? We are only accountable for the information if we have an explanation of it. I challenge you to find a definitive explanation for the imagery in the book of Revelations. It is was written and included in the bible then it must be important, yet we have no way of knowing what it means. We simply do not know because the scriptures do not tell us. You have a very simplistic and na
dangermom Posted October 2, 2004 Posted October 2, 2004 No, I don't think you're correct, Just Curious. There is a third possibility. The Church of the Lamb of God, AFAIK, is not an earthly institution with members and rolls and buildings to meet in. It is just a way of saying 'disciples of Christ,' and those are found all over the place. Not everyone who desires to follow Christ has even heard of the LDS Church, and not every Mormon is a truly righteous Christian. Now, I do believe that the LDS Church has the most truth to be found on this earth, and that the prophet and the BoM are what they claim to be. I think that a person who desires to belong to the Church of the Lamb of God will find the most truth there, and there are many members of that church who are LDS. But that church exists in heaven, so to speak, and the angels keep the rolls (to wax romantic). Many Christian churches have some truth, obviously, but I'm LDS because I think we have gotten closest and have the way to receive more.I do think that the members of this heavenly body will have all their ordinances done. But not necessarily in this life. That's partly what temples are for, right? So that everyone can have that chance.Anyway, all that detail is just my own thinking, and I'm sorry I can't come up with a book for you to read my original post in, JCurious, but that's pretty much what I've always heard.Now don't bother me, I'm playing Myst IV.
Nighthawke Posted October 2, 2004 Posted October 2, 2004 Does anyone know which church is the church described in this passage...in other words, which church is the "Church of the Lamb of God"? Inquiring minds want to know !!!1 Ne. 14: 10 10 And he said unto me: Behold there are save two churches only; the one is the church of the Lamb of God, and the other is the church of the devil; wherefore, whoso belongeth not to the church of the Lamb of God belongeth to that great church, which is the mother of abominations; and she is the whore of all the earth. In Doctrine and Covenants, section 10, the Lord declares that His church consists of those who repent and come unto Him. Anything or anyone that diverts us away from Him is of the church of the devil.67 Behold, this is my doctrine
mnn727 Posted October 2, 2004 Posted October 2, 2004 Where are all the BOM scholars now...come on you guys...what gives? Is everyone so afraid to take on this passage from the BOMThe Church of the Lamb of God are those that accept Jesus Christ... nothing scholarly required... in essence the Church of Jesus Christ Exactlty, the Lamb of God is Jesus Christ, therefore the Church of the Lamb of God is the Church of Jesus Christ.Nothing hard about it, you either follow Jesus or you don't, you're counted with Him or you're not.
Guest The Headless Laban Posted October 2, 2004 Posted October 2, 2004 Does anyone know which church is the church described in this passage...in other words, which church is the "Church of the Lamb of God"? Inquiring minds want to know !!!1 Ne. 14: 10 10 And he said unto me: Behold there are save two churches only; the one is the church of the Lamb of God, and the other is the church of the devil; wherefore, whoso belongeth not to the church of the Lamb of God belongeth to that great church, which is the mother of abominations; and she is the whore of all the earth. This is a logical fallacy on Nephi's part. A False dichotomy, offering only two possible conclusions. This is especially problematic when you consider there are 3 kingdoms and outer darkness. The people who are part of the church of the lamb of God go to the CK, the church of the devil people are cast out, so who populates the middle kingdoms if Nephi's opinions are true? If I was a Book of Mormon scholar, I would say that that passage was merely Nephi's opinion. After all, prophets are also just men with opinions. As the visiting GA above said, "who cares?" In other words, it was merely Nephi's opinion, so it doesn't really matter does it?
tubaloth Posted October 2, 2004 Posted October 2, 2004 I would say that that passage was merely Nephi's opinionNo because it is the angel that is talking to Nephi. It is the angel that
leeuniverse Posted October 2, 2004 Posted October 2, 2004 Just Curious..... Nighthawke and tubaloth has explained what that scripture means very well.That is simply what it means. But I know you really want to think we are bigots and have us say that we are the Church of Lamb, and you are of the Church of the Devil, but that is simply NOT what we believe, and it IS NOT what the Scripture is talking about, so as dissapointed as you are, you won't here us say it.By the way, if you read their two posts well, they give a good foundation why being an anti-mormon is actually being a servant of the evil one.Because we belong to the Church of the Lamb, as you do, so to fight against us, is to fight against God Himself, because all that is good comes from Him, and all that is evil comes from the devil.Since the LDS Church brings men to Christ, lifts them out of sin, poverty, pain, makes bad men good, and good men better, for you to fight against it is to fight against God.Don't you know that with your anti-mormonism that the vast majority of those who leave the Church don't return to God or Christiandom, and continually strive in Faith to walk His walk by His grace?Thus, all you anti's out there who condem the entities that magnify the Fruits of God, you better repent, for your actions will never lead you to truth or closer to God.I know this without a doubt having been an anti myself and seeing the evils of it.
chiaroscuro Posted October 2, 2004 Posted October 2, 2004 tubaloth: Many in the religious world claim that no church is better than any other, just different. As "all roads lead to Rome," it is reasoned that all beliefs must lead to heaven. Be it remembered that both scoundrel and saint traveled those ancient roads with quite different intent. If all religious paths do indeed lead to heaven, the righteous will be at a considerable disadvantage. This is a very misunderstood concept. It does not necessarily mean that all travelers on all roads will reach heaven. A person who believes that there are different paths for different types of people, or for different cultures, or whatever, does not need to presume that the 'righteous' will be at a considerable advantage. All one needs to do is acknowledge that there can be 'righteous' people on any of these paths, and that their particular path works for them in helping them to be 'righteous.'It's just saying that God will be the judge and he may not actually expect everyone to be [insert label here], but will look for something deeper. Dangerous relativist concept, I know!chiaro
Guest Just Curious Posted October 2, 2004 Posted October 2, 2004 First! Was Nephi seeing a specific Church! I don
Guest Just Curious Posted October 2, 2004 Posted October 2, 2004 Well in reading all the convoluted answers posted it appears that most LDS believe that the LDS church is the church of the lamb of God, and other christian churches are also part of the church of the Lamb of God...so how can you say that the LDS church is the "Only One True Church". Don't you see the contradiction you are posing?
rick b Posted October 2, 2004 Posted October 2, 2004 Just Curious..... Nighthawke and tubaloth has explained what that scripture means very well.That is simply what it means.Give me A break, lets get real here, freedom said by higher church authoritys than the two listed above, you will get 12 different answers, and even dangermom gave different views above bruce m.D and C states A man cannot be saved in ignorence so with that in mind can anyone be sure there saved. not to mention but if this verse really means just believe in jesus, why do lds witness to BAC, or even other religions?. I also would like to point out that the BOM is supposed to be the fulness of the everlasting gospel. It would apper if we cannot get a logic answer that people agree on where is this fulness?. Rick b.
leeuniverse Posted October 2, 2004 Posted October 2, 2004 First! Was Nephi seeing a specific Church! I don
Tetraforce Posted October 2, 2004 Posted October 2, 2004 1 Nephi 14:10 is being misunderstood. Its not a reference to other religions, there are only 2 churches one is the believers of God and the lovers of the world / Babylon / the great and abominable church of the devil.The prophet Nephi relates a vision in which he saw the future of the world and its kingdoms. Nephi
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