General Conference

[semlogo]

Irrelevent. The question was why do members plead for th salvation of the nation. I simply answered the question.

Sometimes they do it sincerely, sometimes they do it as a way of sermonizing.

[semlogo]

I was attempting to keep the thread from going political. I knew that some of you just can't keep from spouting the politics of hate and ignorance so was trying to refrain. Thank you.

It's only hateful and ignorant when it's directed at your side, amirite?

[Scott Lloyd]

I think politics was one of the areas he was referring to.

It was, but as Jason said, it was only a passing reference. The talk was about pride and its pervasiveness in all aspects of human behavior. To view it as a treatise on politics or sports or any of the other things mentioned is to enlarge one small portion so that it eclipses the overall message.

An individual would do better to apply the message introspectively rather than as a tool to judge others.

[Hestia]

Thankfully, that perpetrator is now out of power. But we should always be vigilant, and work to reverse the damage already done.

Unnecessary derogatory and political comments. You are uninvited on this thread.

[Droopy]

So true. A president who started two undeclared wars (Art. 1, Sec. 8 ),

Where is the Constitution does a war have to be declared in order for the United States to go to war?

held prisoners indefinitely without charges (Am. 5 and 6),

He doesn't have to charge them with anything, they are not civilian criminals, but enemy combatants taken of the field of battle.

and conducted searches on citizens without warrants

When did this occur?

constituted a serious attack on the US Constitution.

Get back to your Chomski books Krose, and leave us be.

[Droopy]

Well, never mind. I hadn't read through the whole thread and didn't see that Krose had been given the boot.

[Jason]

Aside from the bit about sports being a good place to observe Pride in action, I felt the most interesting bit was about how the Church had in some ways over-reacted to President Benson's original talk, refusing to say we were proud about anything.

[Scott Lloyd]

Aside from the bit about sports being a good place to observe Pride in action, I felt the most interesting bit was about how the Church had in some ways over-reacted to President Benson's original talk, refusing to say we were proud about anything.

I'm glad somebody in authority has finally put that to rest.

[Pahoran]

I think politics was one of the areas he was referring to. (some analogy about colors).

I'm glade pride is never an issue with sports in the church.....

Except of course, when I saw the police called to breakup a stake baseball game fight ...

or when a member of our ward eventually left the church over a softball game.....

Why not? It's as good a reason as any of the standard exit mantras.

Regards,

Pahoran

[cinepro]

Political views expressed in church are never appropriate, IMO, regardless of what views they are.

That's an interesting idea. The teachings of the Church intertwine with "politics" at many levels, so I can think of many ways in which "politics" are appropriately discussed in Church.

Of course, nowadays we try to be polite and keep in confined to "pray for good leaders" etc.

[paulpatter]

. . . The talk was about pride and its pervasiveness in all aspects of human behavior.

Precisely. And what I found especially instructive was President Uchtdorf's clarification of the difference between righteous pride and sinful pride. Recall that he said, in effect, that we are guilty of sinful pride when we are overtaken by the need to compete. . .to prove ourselves better than others. He cited poor sportsmanship as Exhibit A.

[semlogo]

That's an interesting idea. The teachings of the Church intertwine with "politics" at many levels, so I can think of many ways in which "politics" are appropriately discussed in Church.

Of course, nowadays we try to be polite and keep in confined to "pray for good leaders" etc.

Any church doctrine that you care to name can be discussed without bringing up politics, which will only alienate people and drive away the Spirit